Posted on 08/19/2005 11:02:33 AM PDT by ExitPurgamentum
By HEIDI SINGER and CYNTHIA R. FAGENFri Aug 19, 6:00 AM ET
A posh Jersey Shore eatery, under fire for referring to a pair of diners as a "Jew Couple" on their check, is in hot water again.
Longtime customer Joanne Fordyce said she was outraged when she noticed that her check from Parkhill's Waterfront Grill in Loch Arbour printed, just below her table number, "Dirty Joanne."
"They're real nice to your face and then they let you know how they really feel when you get the check," said an outraged Fordyce, a human-resources director.
She said she was so shocked, she held onto her July 15, 2004, receipt for a year.
Fordyce said she bought $9 worth of cocktails at the bar, and added a generous $5 tip.
Later, she noticed the "Dirty" insult.
"How nice could I be? I felt like an ass after that," she said.
"I was going to let it go, but now I see they are still doing it.
"This is definitely not the normal practice if you want to stay in business. I know there are plenty of my friends that have had bad experiences there. That's why they don't go anymore."
She said that in her case, it was a female bartender who wrote up the check.
"I don't know, maybe the bartender is jealous because we drive a Mercedes. But they don't have to be jealous any longer. We just don't want to go there and be treated like this," she said angrily.
Fordyce, 34, said she decided to come forward after reading about diner Elliot Stein's shocking experience at Parkhill's, in Wednesday's Post.
In that July 8 incident, Stein's check referred to the 23-year-old Brooklyn shoe buyer and his girlfriend, Jennifer Cassin, as "Jew Couple."
"This is still going on? It's amazing," Fordyce said in disbelief.
She said she had a similar experience to Stein's when she went to complain to the same manager, Malia Wells, and received the cold shoulder.
"I was blown off like it didn't matter," said Fordyce, who lives in the area. "There was no apology."
Fordyce, who had been a Parkhill patron for seven years, said she once spent $3,000 on a baby shower at the eatery.
Fordyce yesterday filed a complaint with the New Jersey Division on Civil Rights.
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The BEST option available to her is to bad-mouth the place.
That is the death knell for any service business.
Why do people look at government for all solutions?
P.S.- I haven't looked at other threads you've been on,
but you have that DU stench about you.
"not hand-written"
What if they just have really good hand-writing? Where's your ANSWER NOW?! Jk, you got me.
It is not: a tip of 15-20% is a part of the waiters salary. But anything beyond that is generosity. A $5 tip on a $9 bill may be rightfully called a very generous tip.
Just to muddy the water a bit more, there's no indication that the first couple is suing either. Nor did they file a formal complaint with the civil rights commission either.
Honestly, I did not see any Jewish-specific insult in the word "dirty."
I thought the insulting staff was funny, in an SNL or Monty Python skit kind of way (not in a good-for-business way, obviously.)
And I still don't think there needs to be government intervention in the situation. People should just stop eating there if they feel insulted. I basically want the government to stay out of everything, unless somebody is defrauded, bleeding, or killed.
A Tip or Tips originally came from "To Insure Proper Service" I cant say that being insulted is proper service. And again you do expect something for your Tip, a better drink next time or a consistent drink and fast service. Not insults.
See post 116. Parkhills does not cater to the "Syrians." If they did, the old guard would stop comming and their business would be toast.
You must no know that this is a standard slur towards the Jews. If you don't know that, your conclusion is justifiable. But it is based on clearly incomplete knowledge.
It's the New York Post in NYC. If the newspaper made a mistake, it was in thinking they were publishing for the consumption of their usual NYC-area readers. I'm guessing 99% of those reading the actual, hard-copy newspaper are fully aware of the "dirty Jew" epithet.
Would it be funny if they used the term "retard kid" to describe a Down's Syndrome child? Which, I am sure, has happened there. What a dumbass policy.
context - see 116
Dirty Joanne
and now,
Dirty Helen:
Correction then: Maybe they're in an uproar because she's filing an affadavit with NJ Div. of Civil Rights.
I don't know why they're in an uproar - I'm just guessing here.
Why are you all in an uproar?
Assuming the stories are true - and these customers themselves aren't writing the words on the checks - what would be so wrong with her complaining openly about it and bringing some attention to it?
I think we've all been treated badly from time to time by employees who don't know the meaning of "customer service", and I know I do everything in those incidents from complain to tell other people not to frequent that business.
"I’m sorry, but I’ve never associated the word “dirty” with Jewish people in particular, though they can be as dirty or clean as the next guy."
This article isn't about you, of course, so what you associate with things is besides the point, eh?
Here is some etymology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitism
The Jews in Germany were subject to a many persecutions, as well as brief times of tolerance. By the early 20th century, the Jews of Germany were the most integrated in Europe, but the situation changed quickly with the rise of the Nazis and their explicity anti-Semitic program, hate speech referring to Jewish citizens as "dirty Jews" became common in anti-semitic pamplets and newspapers, such as Völkischer Beobachter and Der Stürmer.
Nazi cartoons depicting "dirty Jews" frequently portrayed a dirty, physically unattractive and badly dressed "talmudic" Jew in traditional religious garments similar to those worn by Hassidic Jews. Articles attacking Jewish Germans, while concentrating on commercial and political activities of prominent Jewish individuals, also frequently attacked them based on religious dogmas. Accusations of responsibility of "killing our savior Jesus Christ" and refusal by Jews to "accept the savior" and convert to Christianity that fueled the hatred in the Middle Ages were also repeated by Nazi propagandists.
Hatred against Jews manifested itself in such measures as the Nuremberg Laws which banned "race-mixing" and in the Kristallnacht riots which targeted Jewish homes, businesses and places of worship.
Assuming the stories are true - and these customers themselves aren't writing the words on the checks - what would be so wrong with her complaining openly about it and bringing some attention to it?
I'm not. And that's precisely what they seem to be doing, they've complained, and they're bringing attention to it.
When one argues a logical point, it is often helpful to give an example of an EXTREME situation where it applies. This does not mean that the extreme case cited actually happened here: you are certainly correct that it did not.
And, contrary to your post, private property rights are not granted by government, but by God. God freely gives; government freely takes (and tramples on).
This is not my opinion: you can find it in any literature on politics/economics/sociology. Briefly: when someone trespasses your property, the government (police) assists you in making your property whole precisely because it is the job of the government to enforce YOUR right. When you sell that property, you sing a contract upon which your rights to the property are transferred to the new owner. Contracts are enforced by the government.
Hobbes wrote about the pre-goverment state of mankind, where property rights are enforced by the force of the owner himself. The literature often refers to that state of affairs as "Hobbesian nightmare."
ExitPurg said: "No, because this is an abbreviation for "dirty Jew."
I agree. This establishment has, on at least two occassions, made note of someone's race in what would seem to be a negative way - and in writing. This is unacceptable in any business. If I were Jewish I would not eat at this establishment and I would inform my friends of the incidents.
Shame that some Freepers side with the abuser . . . must be Buchananites. Antisemitism is on the rise. And, unfortunately, it will end just like before. Humans are cruel creatures and IMHO the majority are not worthy of this beautiful planet.
You mayn wish to know that EP has been a member here since July of 2000 -- long before there was a DU. He is no troll, just impassioned about this issue.
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