Posted on 08/19/2005 11:02:33 AM PDT by ExitPurgamentum
By HEIDI SINGER and CYNTHIA R. FAGENFri Aug 19, 6:00 AM ET
A posh Jersey Shore eatery, under fire for referring to a pair of diners as a "Jew Couple" on their check, is in hot water again.
Longtime customer Joanne Fordyce said she was outraged when she noticed that her check from Parkhill's Waterfront Grill in Loch Arbour printed, just below her table number, "Dirty Joanne."
"They're real nice to your face and then they let you know how they really feel when you get the check," said an outraged Fordyce, a human-resources director.
She said she was so shocked, she held onto her July 15, 2004, receipt for a year.
Fordyce said she bought $9 worth of cocktails at the bar, and added a generous $5 tip.
Later, she noticed the "Dirty" insult.
"How nice could I be? I felt like an ass after that," she said.
"I was going to let it go, but now I see they are still doing it.
"This is definitely not the normal practice if you want to stay in business. I know there are plenty of my friends that have had bad experiences there. That's why they don't go anymore."
She said that in her case, it was a female bartender who wrote up the check.
"I don't know, maybe the bartender is jealous because we drive a Mercedes. But they don't have to be jealous any longer. We just don't want to go there and be treated like this," she said angrily.
Fordyce, 34, said she decided to come forward after reading about diner Elliot Stein's shocking experience at Parkhill's, in Wednesday's Post.
In that July 8 incident, Stein's check referred to the 23-year-old Brooklyn shoe buyer and his girlfriend, Jennifer Cassin, as "Jew Couple."
"This is still going on? It's amazing," Fordyce said in disbelief.
She said she had a similar experience to Stein's when she went to complain to the same manager, Malia Wells, and received the cold shoulder.
"I was blown off like it didn't matter," said Fordyce, who lives in the area. "There was no apology."
Fordyce, who had been a Parkhill patron for seven years, said she once spent $3,000 on a baby shower at the eatery.
Fordyce yesterday filed a complaint with the New Jersey Division on Civil Rights.
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I am going to Parkhills for happy hour to investigate - details to follow...
I guess Kinky Friedman should not have named his band, "Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jew Boys."
But maybe we Texas Jews are tougher than yankee Jews; they had the holocost, we had the inquisition.
Well said.
To: SoothingDaveHurry up; the suspense is killing us all!!
Can you look at the facts objectively? Calling a person "dirty" does not make then a Jew. Do you have any evidence?
PLease see post 233.
225 posted on 08/19/2005 2:55:19 PM CDT by ExitPurgamentum
I can see this as a selling point for the restaurant. Now everyone's going to want to eat there just to see what will be printed on the check.
There's such a thing as decency and decorum. I would not patronize an establishment like this knowing how they treat their clientele. What if you took your mom, who was on chemo after a cancer operation, to such an establishment and at the end of the meal you see a little comment on the bill like, say, "skeleton lady" or "baldy" in reference to your mom, You'd just laugh it off, right?? Ha-ha big joke, right? you wouldn't be upset, angry and ready to punch? If not, you have a screw loose. Get real and grow up. This is not how we do business in America. I can't stand political correctness either but every business transaction deserves good faith and respect----even when presenting a restaurant bill.
Your post certainly adds a bit of local color that might be at play here. Thanks for the input!
PLease see post 223.
I guess that's a "no." You are surmising, and you may be correct. But there is no evidence.
SD
I am Jewish and I too would not be able to conclude form her name that she is Jewish. As a reply to your question, please read Post 233.
See Post 233.
"My point is that the founding fathers had more respect for private property rights and less tolerance for governmental meddling than now exists. Are you in favor of governmental involvement when someone is offended in a place of business?"
Government should step in when private industry either cant or will not perform something that is essential (IMHO). Again, IMHO, the previous story of the "Jew couple" comment from the same establishment shows a history. Racism is a very dangerous thing and a hard thing to identify where free speech ends and racist behavior begins. The Constitution is not a suicide pact as it has been said. If this was a Muslim establishment and it read "dirty American Pig" I am sure many would want government to step in.
No, you read it right.
This JEW has experienced real discrimination. I was in Saudi (in the US Army), and would periodically deal with the natives. I had to bring along a junior officer, 'cause they would not talk with me --- a Jew.
There are fifty million reasons why this apparently METHODIST girl might be called "dirty," (especially in a sushi restaurant --- maybe she double dips her rolls!) and to leap to the conclusion that it means "dirty Jew" is a stretch and a half.
Well, Ashkenazi Jews, like me, are mortally offended by you referring to their beloved Yiddish as a "pigeon" language (I assume you meant "pidgin"). Did you know that many notable authors wrote in Yiddish and one of them won the Nobel Prize for literature???
But I do see you point. In this case, linguistic clues may not have sufficed.
((By the way, I am just kidding with you about the offended part)).
"That is incorrect: our Fathers believed that our liberties were granted by G-d, and I strongly believe that they were correct. The Founding Fathers never said that property rights were granted by G-d."
Maybe they thought that while most of our rights were inalienable and come from God, our property rights come from the Civil Rights Commission and can be revoked in the case of an insult or slur. [Sorry. Couldn't avoid the sarcasm on this one.]
I was merely reiterating why I saw no Jewish-specific insult.
It's not clear to me that either of them have much of a greivance from a civil rights perspective, nor is it clear that "dirty Joanne" referred to "dirty Jew". Presuming NJ statute's bar discrimination based on religion by public establishments, I'd assume that's the basis of the state's interest. However it's quite a stretch to contend that a derogatory comment after the fact (they weren't greeted, Hi "Jew couple") constitutes a defacto denial, in the sense of don't come back. If the state finds hundreds of similar comments, I'd guess that's what they'd contend.
We await, on pins and needles, your receipt labelled "nosy freeper."
SD
No need to debase yourself to outright nonsense. I simply did not want to rewrite the same thing again.
If I irritate you, you should find a better reason to express your feelings. Your post makes you look ridiculous.
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