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To: elbucko

Gun crime has indeed exploded in the UK: from almost non-existent to statistically insignificant!

Just compare the figures per 100,000 people for the USA and the UK and tell me who is safer...


17 posted on 08/19/2005 1:58:34 PM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman
Gun crime has indeed exploded in the UK: from almost non-existent to statistically insignificant!

Just compare the figures per 100,000 people for the USA and the UK and tell me who is safer...

This is from Canada Blames Us

The experiences in the U.K. and Australia, two island nations whose borders are much easier to monitor, should also give Canadian gun controllers some pause. The British government banned handguns in 1997 but recently reported that gun crime in England and Wales nearly doubled in the four years from 1998-99 to 2002-03.

Crime was not supposed to rise after handguns were banned. Yet, since 1996 the serious-violent-crime rate has soared by 69 percent; robbery is up 45 percent, and murders up 54 percent. Before the law, armed robberies had fallen 50 percent from 1993 to 1997, but as soon as handguns were banned the robbery rate shot back up, almost to its 1993 level.

The 2000 International Crime Victimization Survey, the last survey completed, shows the violent-crime rate in England and Wales was twice the rate of that in the U.S. When the new survey for 2004 comes out later this year, that gap will undoubtedly have widened even further as crimes reported to British police have since soared by 35 percent, while those in the U.S. have declined 6 percent.

21 posted on 08/19/2005 3:16:46 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: ukman
Just compare the figures per 100,000 people for the USA and the UK and tell me who is safer...

No, you're wrong, you're not safer, you only feel that way. The UK is as vulnerable to internal violence as it was to invasion in 1940. Pardon me, but I don't find any bragging rights in being disarmed. Furthermore, if one removes the gun homicides of black and Hispanic males between 15 and 25 years of age, the rate becomes insignificant to the US population and the number of US firearms.

There may come another day when Britain has to ask Americans to send them guns as they did in 1939-40. BTW, we'd like some of them back.

23 posted on 08/19/2005 9:17:20 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: ukman
Just compare the figures per 100,000 people for the USA and the UK and tell me who is safer...

Leftists always try to use the USA's high murder rate to justify gun control laws. However, the murder rate by knives alone in the USA is greater than the UK's total murder rate! In 1981 the American murder rate was 8.7 times the UK rate, in 1995 it was 5.7 times higher and by 2002 it was only 3.5 times higher. Besides, a study comparing New York and London over 200 years found the New York homicide rate was consistently five times the London rate, but for most of that period residents of both cities had unrestricted access to firearms.

Swiss reservists (almost the entire male population between 20 and 42) keep semi-automatic rifles in their homes and conscripts are issued with fully-automatic rifles to keep in theirs, however, the murder rate in Switzerland is regularly lower than it is in Britain!

29 posted on 08/20/2005 8:58:45 AM PDT by David Hunter
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To: ukman
Just compare the figures per 100,000 people for the USA and the UK and tell me who is safer...

Just compare the UK numbers with the Saudi Arabian numbers. The UK has 2X the murder rate and 25,000X the burglarly rate?

Whiny Socialist Voice:What does that say about you as a Sooo Cieee Uhhh Teee

When will you be adopting Sharia?

38 posted on 08/20/2005 12:33:57 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: ukman

Considering that there hasn't been a homicide in two years in my USA county(with a LOT of guns), and no "gun" homicide in at least 4 or 5 years - I have no complaints.


41 posted on 08/20/2005 5:17:06 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Draft Mark Sanford for President - 2008)
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To: ukman
One of the most effective spokesmen against gun control, beside John Lott, is an Enlish Constable and also fellow at Cambridge named Colin Greenwood.

If you can find any of his articles I would very strongly recommend you read them.

113 posted on 08/24/2005 10:23:38 AM PDT by yarddog
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