Posted on 08/21/2005 6:02:36 AM PDT by CholeraJoe
Well it's clear then. Discrimination against loud people.
Not at all. But does the fact that he was armed allow him to enforce public decorum when he probably wouldn't have done so if he was unarmed? I would have gotten my BLT to go.
Wrong analogy. A police officer has legal authority to enforce the "peace". Individual officers may step over the line at times, but that is a judgement call. I would think if a uniformed police officer would have entered the diner the group would have quited down on its own.
Drunk and disorderly in public is legal? Let's party, Dude!
It just goes to show, you never know what kind of riff-raff you'll run into in a diner at 4:30 in the morning. With the vastness of cyberspace, I imagine there must be a forum somewhere where 10 young adults have posted a vanity about their close encounter with an armed, bald-headed grump who disrupted their breakfast.
Thankfully, they had the commonsense not to aggravate or confront this weird loner.
Somebody could've gotten hurt.
And I bet you didn't notice, the waitress probably switched you to decaff...
I've been off caffeine for years.
Drunk and disorderly in public is legal? Let's party, Dude!
Is raucous laughter the same as Drunk and disorderly ?
Is this tale growing? I hope you tipped the waitress well.
You need to watch more Mythbusters on TV. They showed it is not as easy as Hollywood portrays to start a gasoline fire. Fireing a weapon in gasoline will not make it ignite. (They actually found dropping a lit cigarette did not do it, and they even had a hard time with a match).
I am afraid a gasoline moat is not going to do much but make you sick.
I agree 100%....
I guess the were all white kids. Don't try
that in the city, they will tell you to F'off
if they speak english and shoot you in the parking
lot.
Are you from Montana? Strange, the kids
were just having some fun.
Should have joined them...
After reading the comments from punks and non punks...I think the only resolution to the noise problem at 4:30 am in a truck stop was "take out". Why deliberately ask for trouble when the intended result would probably be a certain lockup if things went wrong!!
If he had just asked without making two laps around the table then I would not call it "enforcing public decorum".
Raucous laughter punctuated with four letter words and racial slurs is pretty disorderly.
Obviously they weren't quite the thugs you paint them as. Had you pulled that stunt in Oak Cliff (Dallas neighborhood) you'd have been shown enough hardware to liberate a small Central American country for the 3rd time this year. Which is in itself rather moot as you'd have been arrested long before that as open carry is illegal in Texas.
I'm crabby in the morning too but you were wrong. You should have gotten a to go box.
Okay,say they jazzed up your approach (after a hungry attorney contacted them). You circled their table twice with a menacing look, you were cocky when you ask them to pipe down, maybe with some good body language references...
If you used your weapon on them, and the waitress confirmed you circled their table twice, their story will screw you. Especially, if it over noise alone.
Hey, don't trust me on this, ask a defense attorney in your state for the gory details. They'll know.
Bottom line in most states, if it is not felony, use a weapon and you will be screwed.
You confronted a party of ten openly carrying. Over noise. They could articulate a reason for subduing you, possibly using lethal force in the process.
They might get off. You probably would not. When you decided to carry, you took on life and death responsibilities. You may want to consult an attorney with experiece on this issue in you state before you choose to do something like this again.
Also, if you are sued, this whole exchange on FR will be fair game. Choose your online words carefully. FR is a public forum. Welcome to the real world.
DK
BTW, all of my ordinance is silenced, as I cannot stand noise at 4:30 AM, either.
Excellent points.
"Have you ever heard of "Drunk and Disorderly," or its cousin "Prejudicial to good order and discipline?""
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
As an officer, you're not doing a d&*n thing without a complaint from the property owner in a restaurant where the clientele are all sitting and eating.
Your post also includes the mens rea for assault.
WHo are you, and what have you done with the real Mr. Green?
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