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| 8/21/2005
| CholeraJoe
Posted on 08/21/2005 6:02:36 AM PDT by CholeraJoe
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To: lemura
One can imagine that he could be arrested for threatening other customers. So if a cop in uniform who was eating after getting off duty asked them to keep it down, could he be arrested for threatening them? Of course not.
I have three small children, and occasionally they get a little loud. As long as I am asked politely, I don't see a threat.
To: usnjay
Nothing I did was threatening. The weapon on my hip was no more obtrusive than my bald head.
BTW, I carry almost every day.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:26:42 AM PDT
by
CholeraJoe
("Cowboy the f*ck up!" LT Waters in "Tears of the Sun")
To: CholeraJoe
Nope. You started the confrontation and if one of them had taken you on I'm sure the law in your state would have held you responsible just as the law for concealed carry does in my state.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:27:06 AM PDT
by
Arkie2
(No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
To: usnjay
"Carry" or "Liscensed to Carry Concealed" if for one purpose. Self defense or the defense of others. "Intimidation" is not part of the deal. This kind of behavior is used against law abiding gun owners in legal forums. (NRA member)
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:27:27 AM PDT
by
Sterco
To: nerdwithamachinegun
RKBA is based on the idea that an armed society is a free society and capable of controlling the government. I think you have the order reversed. In principle, we have the absolute right to self-defense regardless of what may be written on a piece of paper. In other words, the 2nd merely codifies an existing right. Since the 2nd helps ensure that individuals are supreme, all other organizations (such as government), are subsidiary to this order.
In order for individuals to associate freely in an open society, we have a wide range of laws in which to regulate behaviour. This includes the principles of private property and threats to bodily harm. Absent any violation of these two elements, our poster is actually running the risk of being arrested himself; a veiled threat is still a threat.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:27:46 AM PDT
by
lemura
To: Puppage
Would you have done the same thing if you weren't armed? Yup.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:28:06 AM PDT
by
CholeraJoe
("Cowboy the f*ck up!" LT Waters in "Tears of the Sun")
To: CholeraJoe
If the kids hadn't quited down, the implication is that you would what, shoot them?
Ten drunk, obnoxious 20-somethings making a lot of noise.
I'm all for gun rights, but that's not a hill I'd choose to die for.
To: CholeraJoe
Haw haw, then why you so quick to give credit to your gun. You can't play that shell game with us, boy.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:28:53 AM PDT
by
The Red Zone
(Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
To: CholeraJoe
"An armed society is a polite society."
Your statement is correct, but your implementation was completely flawed. As your story demonstrates, you modified your behavior when carrying a sidearm.
If it is a dumb idea to confront a bunch of drunks that are simply being annoying without a gun......then it is a dumb idea to do so with a gun. That you do not understand the difference, or how this could have been handled better, is why I offer this advice (without malice or mocking): You should not carry a gun.
To: Fzob
It's up to the owner to enforce rules of decorum in his establishment and if he thinks it's getting out of line he can call the cops. Nothing written here by cholic Joe indicates these guys were anything other than noisy. That's not a crime where I come from.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:30:00 AM PDT
by
Arkie2
(No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
To: The Red Zone
They could have read you the riot act and had you pulled, YOU would be the one facing decades of dungeon if not worse.Not in Montana, and most other red states. Very liberal definition of self-defense.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:30:13 AM PDT
by
CholeraJoe
("Cowboy the f*ck up!" LT Waters in "Tears of the Sun")
To: CholeraJoe
Very fine inspirational story. Thanks for sharing.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:31:30 AM PDT
by
little jeremiah
(A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
To: CholeraJoe
Post the law that says for that crowd to have told you off, would be cause for you to shoot them.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:31:42 AM PDT
by
The Red Zone
(Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
To: CholeraJoe
if you are going to carry, i think you have a special responsibility to avoid putting yourself in situations where you have to shoot someone. forcing confrontations over something as minor as noise in a restaurant doesn't fit that.
wold you have done the same if it had been a young family where the kids were making noise?
personally I wouldn't shoot anyone over a breakfast burrito no matter how much noise they were making. i would leave.
to say nothing of your legal mess had the incident escalated. after all, you did approach them.
To: CholeraJoe
I agree that someone in his fifties should be able to give "advice" to people in their twenties on how to behave.
To: hopespringseternal
So if a cop in uniform who was eating after getting off duty asked them to keep it down, could he be arrested for threatening them? Of course not. A cop has no right to enforce noise restrictions where none exist at a public place of business. Intimidating others under the color of authority has serious consequences. He would be most likely be terminated, and the department sued, if this had happened while in uniform.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:32:40 AM PDT
by
lemura
To: Puppage
re:Would you have done the same thing if you weren't armed?
doubtful.
some joker with an advanced cased of littleman/toughguy syndrome pulled crap like that (circled the table... right.), while i was eating breakfast with some chums after night out i'd have fed it to him rectally.
/also packs
//doesn't pull jack*ss stunts like the original poster
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:32:44 AM PDT
by
tomakaze
(Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
To: Arkie2
Why would you expect peace and quiet at 430 am on a weekend? Expecting people to be civil in a public place at 0430 is somehow out of line? Expecting a citizen to "stay home" is the answer? My..my....That's right your not from Texas....but Texas wants you anyway...as long as you learn civility.....
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:33:19 AM PDT
by
cbkaty
(I may not always post...but I am always here......)
To: cbkaty
This is not Ms. Manners. This is Ms. Manners with PMS and a gun.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:35:13 AM PDT
by
The Red Zone
(Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
To: CholeraJoe
They probably thought you were bacon. Thats what you wanted, isn't it? I see you as nothing but a bully with a gun. In this vanity event, your weapon simply enhanced your manhood.
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posted on
08/21/2005 6:35:55 AM PDT
by
68 grunt
(3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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