Posted on 08/23/2005 2:34:59 PM PDT by workerbee
What makes you think this will stop third trimester abortions? They'll just find a more "humane" way of murder. A local monster injects the babies with a cardiac drug which stops their heart before he destroys them. He probably thinks that is "humane".
Wow, that's a pretty powerful argument. Thanks.
If they think that this study is important enough to report, then they should be willing to do something about it.
Personally, I would like to see a full airing from the medical community on the pain babies feel in the womb.
My daughter was born two months early. And for the next six weeks, nurses came in and stuck a needle in her heel to take blood. And that little fetus felt enough pain to cry every time.
Starving is easy too.
Well, they just know these kinds of things; especially the things that are helpful for the Death Culture, you know?
What I am saying is that this study also admits (by omission) that babies DO FEEL PAIN at a certain point in the womb.
So why not agree to do something about that?
Fetuses May Not Feel Pain in Early Months
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/23/D8C5O7M00.html
LINDSEY TANNER
AP Medical Writer
Of course the fact that some animals, even ones as advanced as fishes, don't appear to feel pain either doesn't stop the same utilitarians from use the pleasure/pain argument when arguing in favor of animal rights. But then again, logical inconsitency is the stock in trade of Peter Singer types.
These people are Nazis and if anybody takes umbrage to my use of the word Nazi, well thats too damn bad so go complain about it elsewhere.
You obviously remember very vividly the experience of being born.
I really don't think you want the liberals' answer to that question......
Definitely. Speaking of screaming, wait until the Roberts confirmation hearings. This study/article was made in anticipation of that debate, IMHO....
"Administering anesthesia directly to the fetus is also sometimes done but generally to reduce the release of potentially harmful fetal stress hormones (search), Rosen (Nazi scientist) said. There is little research on its effects, the authors said."
Well the release of fetal stress hormones, which is measurable, is a direct result of pain. Babies earlier than 20 weeks have been found to release these hormones when stuck with a needle in utero. It's observable and measurable. Now tell me why should anybody trust a scientist if the scientific community doesn't reject this meta study laced with bs?
Because science doesn't work through surface judgements, but from carefully examining the evidence and arguments. While some may immediately either hold this study up or put it down because of their personal beliefs, most scientists will treat it with the same skepticism and closer examination that they would any other paper making sweeping judgements.
And this isn't science by any definition, it's politics.
(If true....)
Neither do quadriplegics.
And so...?
Dan
Well, they did mention that one of the authors of the paper personally runs an abortion mill, and not only do they give ample time to a critic of the paper who has the appropriate research credentials to do so, he is most definitely not a Christian (judging by his name, he's probably Sikh or from a Sikh family background). On any other network, they probably wouldn't mentioned that one of the authors has a vested interest in the results (in constrast, in other instances where politics and sciences intersect, they always take care to point out the political and business "ties" of scientists on the "conservative" side but not those on the "liberal" side), and they would probably go to a fire-breathing fire-and-brimstone preacher to get the pro-life opinion on the story.
You're confusing scientific judgement with moral judgment. A good scientist may assess this article as being scientifically sound, yet empathetically insist that it should not be used as the final word in deciding a complex issue. Certainly, this article does not make me sway at all in my pro-life views; even if fetuses don't feel pain, it does not stop me from viewing abortion as a particularly barbaric form of muder.
Good point, but what say you to the Matt Drudge incident?
Absolutely wrong, they are NOT fetal pain researchers, they are politicos with an agenda who did a meta study of other peoples work and used SOME of the data to justify their predetermined conclusion in order to scuttle fetal pain bills. You're confusing science and politics.
A good scientist may assess this article as being scientifically sound, yet empathetically insist that it should not be used as the final word in deciding a complex issue.
I already told you why it is scientifically unsound, you just chose to ignore it and I am not a scientist. It doesn't pass the laugh test if you have any aquaintance at all with the brain, the nervous system and fetal pain research. It is garbage.
Certainly, this article does not make me sway at all in my pro-life views; even if fetuses don't feel pain, it does not stop me from viewing abortion as a particularly barbaric form of muder.
Well, thats laudable but you should recognize dogcrap when you see it, it saves time cleaning your shoes.
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