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SHOULD THE QU'RAN BE IN THE COURTROOM?
Wilmington Journal ^
| 8/06/05
| CASH MICHAELS
Posted on 08/24/2005 4:15:35 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
If you're in an Iranian courtroom, do they allow you to swear in on a Bible? Doubtful, although I really don't know.
SHOULD THE QU'RAN BE IN THE COURTROOM?
In an American courtroom? No.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:28:25 PM PDT
by
michigander
(The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
To: Libloather
If you're in an Iranian courtroom, do they allow you to swear in on a Bible?
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The PC crowd has gone completely overboard approaching insanity. This is America, not some Arab country. Our oaths are taken on the bible. It is sad that the radical left has promoted the wearing of ones religion as if it is some kind of shield from applicable law and procedure.
Very tragic for this country.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:28:38 PM PDT
by
EagleUSA
To: Prime Choice
Wouldn't it be rather ludicrous and pointless to make an Atheist or Satanist swear on the Bible?
And wouldn't a devout Muslim be more likely to give true testimony if they swore on the Q'ran?
No matter what oaths are sworn, there are always oath-breakers, perjurers and liars.
Much as I hate to agree with the Left, what's wrong with "Upon my honor, and under penalty of perjury, I so do swear."
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:28:45 PM PDT
by
Ostlandr
(NeopaganNeocon)
To: Libloather
courtroom no, bathroom, yes.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:29:10 PM PDT
by
Joe Boucher
(an enemy of islam)
To: Libloather
Should the "Koran" be used in lieu of the Bible in a U.S. Courtroom? Not only no but
HELL NO! Muslim countries don't even allow a Bible in their countries (when we are there to protect their back sides) because their governments only acknowledge the Koran as a "Holy Book."
The U.S. was founded as a Christian country (no matter what the atheists say or how many idiots that parrot their lie)and the Bible was acknowledged as our source for law, period.
I would even go further and state that former Muslims tell us that their Prophet Mohammad states in the Koran that it is permissible to lie to an infidel so what does it matter which book a Muslim swears to tell the truth by?
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:29:20 PM PDT
by
zerosix
To: Ostlandr
And wouldn't a devout Muslim be more likely to give true testimony if they swore on the Q'ran? Nope. Islam provides for lying to (or about) non-Muslims.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:30:36 PM PDT
by
Prime Choice
(E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
To: Libloather
I've listened to discussion over this and am naturally prone to Christianity and resist the Koran in the Kourtroom.
That being said, Jesus said let your yes be yes and no be no and said not to swear on anything, so maybe the bible has no place in the Kourtroom either.
It's something that has become so traditional in our country, I have tended to go along with the way things have been done, but I would just rather tell the truth to the best of my ability and not have to swear on anything.
There is so much perjury in our courts now, swearing on the bible has become rather meaningless anyway, at least to unbelievers who are not in the Koran or other religion holy book category.
How far are they going to push this anyway?
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:31:25 PM PDT
by
Aliska
To: Ostlandr
You bring up an interesting point. What do today's courts do with atheists?
To: Prime Choice
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:32:30 PM PDT
by
johnny7
(“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
To: Libloather
"SHOULD THE QU'RAN BE IN THE COURTROOM? Yes! As Exhibit 'A'.
Google : witness oath;origin
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:33:46 PM PDT
by
afnamvet
( Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.)
To: Michael Barnes
They affirm they will tell the truth, consonant with the US Constitution. Forcing an atheist to swera on the Bible would be a constitutional no no.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:33:53 PM PDT
by
jwalsh07
(Atheism is not conservative!)
To: Ostlandr
Much as I hate to agree with the Left, what's wrong with "Upon my honor, and under penalty of perjury, I so do swear." It's not so much "agreement with the left" as it is seeking supremacy of law over religion. The law fancies itself to be the ultimate force on earth.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:34:09 PM PDT
by
Cboldt
To: jwalsh07
Actually, thats not the constitutional issue.Agreed. And I agree on your conclusion with respect to the establishment clause.
But I wasn't addressing the Constitutional issues, only the practical issue of why anyone even cares about swearing to tell the truth in the first place. My point is that you don't even need to consider the Constitutional issues to realize that having any and all witnesses swear on a Bible is simply ridiculous. The issue can and should be decided on that point alone.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:34:10 PM PDT
by
sourcery
("Compelling State Interest" is the refuge of judicial activist traitors against the Constitution)
To: Eastbound
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:35:43 PM PDT
by
DocRock
(Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
To: sourcery
That's up to the legislature, I thought we were talking courts. My mistake.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:36:59 PM PDT
by
jwalsh07
(Atheism is not conservative!)
To: jwalsh07
They affirm they will tell the truth, consonant with the US Constitution. Forcing an atheist to swera on the Bible would be a constitutional no no.Then there is the answer to the koran issue I suppose.
To: Blood of Tyrants
Read my post #12.And having a Muslim swear on a Bible accomplishes what, precisely?
I'd bet an oath could be constructed that a Muslim would find binding. Having him swear to Allah directly, perhaps.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:38:00 PM PDT
by
sourcery
("Compelling State Interest" is the refuge of judicial activist traitors against the Constitution)
To: Michael Barnes
Not constitutionally. All religion or no religion, that will be how the SCOTUS rules.
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:39:27 PM PDT
by
jwalsh07
(Atheism is not conservative!)
To: zerosix
The U.S. was founded as a Christian country (no matter what the atheists say or how many idiots that parrot their lie)and the Bible was acknowledged as our source for law, period. Could you please show me where in the Constitution the Bible or Christianity is cited?
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posted on
08/24/2005 4:40:40 PM PDT
by
AdamSelene235
(Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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