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How much has gas jumped in your area since Katrina and is it price gouging or supply and demand?
9/1/05 | Self

Posted on 09/01/2005 5:46:56 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

Also, what effect will Katrina have on the economy? Will high gas prces bring a recession or more oil exploration and new refineries?


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KEYWORDS: cheats; economicignorance; freemarket; gasprices; pricegouging; thieves
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To: TXBSAFH

It's the free market at work. If you owned the gas station you would do the same thing. Higher prices force conservation. keeping the price the same in the face of a demand spike results in a shortage.


261 posted on 09/01/2005 3:29:49 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I'm betting people are hoarding gas. Just a guess.


262 posted on 09/01/2005 3:30:31 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenance (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: tob2

It's not illegal to make a profit. these same people would face losses if they kept the price the same and ran out. They would lose sales until the short term supply issues were reseolved. The higher prices force conservation, and makes the gas available to those who truly need it. It forces the boat, dirtbike, and four-wheeler owners to postpone their receational activities until the problem is resolved by the market.


263 posted on 09/01/2005 3:32:13 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: tob2

It's not illegal to make a profit. These same people would face losses if they kept the price the same and ran out. They would lose sales until the short term supply issues were reseolved. The higher prices force conservation, and makes the gas available to those who truly need it. It forces the boat, dirtbike, and four-wheeler owners to postpone their receational activities until the problem is resolved by the market.


264 posted on 09/01/2005 3:32:23 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: tob2

It's not illegal to make a profit. These same people would face losses if they kept the price the same and ran out. They would lose sales until the short term supply issues were resolved. The higher prices force conservation, and makes the gas available to those who truly need it. It forces the boat, dirtbike, and four-wheeler owners to postpone their receational activities until the problem is resolved by the market.


265 posted on 09/01/2005 3:32:46 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: frgoff
Thank you idiots who have fallen for the "price gouging" leftist propaganda.

You actually understand the laws of supply and demand. Kudos to you sir!

266 posted on 09/01/2005 3:34:07 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Nov3
The station owners aren't getting trucks and are jacking the price up without any increased costs. The result - people are running on the gas creating shortages.

The cost will come when they lose money due to being out of gas because they didn't raise the price. the laws of supply and demand are at work. If you have a spike in demand, the price is going to rise.

267 posted on 09/01/2005 3:37:14 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Instead of calling us idiots, please explain why gas prices don't go down as quickly as they go up.

Certainly. Only a poor businessman will sell a gallon of gas for less than the consumer is willing to pay for it. Therefore, you keep the price as high as the consumer is willing to buy it for, even when your cost goes down. When sales drop off, you lower the price. It's the constant adjustment caused by the laws of supply and demand.

268 posted on 09/01/2005 3:39:43 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: The Phantom FReeper
I'm just curious, since I don't know very much about economics. Why would the price caps themselves create a shortage?

It's simple actually. When there is a spike in demand, the price rises. This forces conservation, and makes sure that you do not run out of the supply on hand at any given moment. If you do not raise the price in the face of a demand spike, the panicked buyers will buy more than they actually need at the moment, and you run out of gas. Then, the next day, when you are out of gas, and you aren't going to get a delivery for three days, you lose sales for those three days. Therefore, by raising the price of a scarce commodity (even if it's temporary scarcity) forces consumers to conserve, and buy only what they cannot do without. this leaves gasoline for others who absolutely must have it. The boat owners, RV owners, four wheelers, dirt bikers, multi-car families, and the like choose to buy less, or not buy at all, and keeps the scarce commodity available.

269 posted on 09/01/2005 3:46:12 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: wolfcreek

I have no oil investments, and I understand supply and demand. Do you?


270 posted on 09/01/2005 3:48:01 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The Woodlands, TX = $2.93 per gallon.


271 posted on 09/01/2005 3:49:53 PM PDT by weef
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To: Shannon
Call your Senators. That's what I did first thing this morning. I was told they're getting loads of calls. It will make a difference if everyone calls. Remember, most want to be reelected.

Yes, call your senators and tell them to let the free market solve this problem, and to stay out of it so they don't muck things up.

272 posted on 09/01/2005 3:50:22 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Hawaii here. Our prices are similar to yours. We were kind of shocked to pay $30 for a fill up for our sentra a few days ago. At least we don't have to worry about heating bills. :-)


273 posted on 09/01/2005 3:51:34 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: layman
I have no problem with dealers raising prices to cover replacement cost, but I doubt that they react as quickly when prices decrease.

Of course not. Only a poor businessman would sell a product for less than the consumer is willing to pay for it. When the price causes demand to go down to the point where the business is losing money, then it will go down.

274 posted on 09/01/2005 3:59:35 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: carlr
Fair enough,but then since they are charging current price based on future prices will retailers be selling gas at a loss in December or January when they may be paying the $70.00 per barrel premium and say the future market for say April oil is $55.00 per barrel. I am not saying that will be the price then,I have no idea,it may be higher than today,but at the justification for raising the price of gas that is in the hose it should equate to selling at a loss when the price drops.

There is never a justification for selling at a loss. Businesses are not charities. Would you ask your boss to pay you less than he or she is willing to pay? You know the answer is no. A businessman is not going to charge less than the consumer is willing to pay, and would be foolish to do so.

275 posted on 09/01/2005 4:02:38 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: SALChamps03

Bull, prices going up .50 in two days. It is price gouging and I hope charges are pressed.


276 posted on 09/01/2005 4:05:04 PM PDT by TXBSAFH (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: dljordan
I'm going out this morning and will see how much they've jumped here in Northern Colorado. We've got a refinery down in Denver so it will be interesting to hear their excuses.

You think that refinery only supplies your area?

277 posted on 09/01/2005 4:06:31 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I saw $3.20gal here on James Island in Charleston, SC. I've canceled my family trip to Roanoke, VA. this weekend. I'd pay for the gas no problem, but I can't be sure I'll be able to get a tankful for the return trip with all the recent unpleasantness.


278 posted on 09/01/2005 4:06:52 PM PDT by AndrewB
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To: 1Old Pro
PRICE GOUGING, plain and simple.

What is plain and simple is that you have no understanding of the fundamentals of the free market, or the laws of supply and demand.

279 posted on 09/01/2005 4:07:38 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Blood of Tyrants

East of Redmond,WA jumped .12 cents last night.


280 posted on 09/01/2005 4:08:35 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I DON'T C.A.I.R. !!!!!!!!!)
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