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Katrina: A timeline -- proof the Federal response was NOT SLOW
White House.gov; multiple news & other sources ^ | 9/3/05

Posted on 09/03/2005 8:44:11 PM PDT by Wolfstar

After days of being harrangued by media reports to the contrary, this may seem like a radical notion, but...

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSE TO KATRINA WAS NOT SLOW!

FACT: Coast Guard, U.S. Navy and other search and rescue units were in New Orleans, elsewhere in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama on Monday, after the storm passed out of the area.

FACT: The full extent of the devastation to the Gulf Coast region, and the levee breaches in New Orleans, were not known until Tuesday.

FACT: A convoy of about 500 buses reached the Superdome late Wednesday.

FACT: The first of 500 busloads of refugees reached Houston early Thursday.

What follows is a timeline, with news info, of key events related to Hurricane Katrina, beginning with another hurricane which struck the Gulf Coast just under one year ago to the day before Katrina. Hurrican Ivan raised all of the same concerns in Louisiana and New Orleans as it barrelled toward the Gulf Coast. It, too, was a killer hurricane. It exposed the severe shortcomings in Louisiana and New Orleans disaster planning. None, repeat, none of those shortcomings were corrected by the time Katrina hit Louisiana last week.

The Left can't say they weren't warned.

From the TalkLeft.com blog site

Wednesday, September 15, 2004
Hurrican Ivan Thunders Closer

Bump and Update: Hurricane Ivan is getting closer. Right now it's headed towards the Gulf Coast. Florida's western panhandle is still at risk. It's expected to arrive late Wednesday.

New Orleans may sink if it gets hit hard.

The worst-case scenario for New Orleans: A direct strike by a full-strength Hurricane Ivan could submerge much of this historic city treetop-deep in a stew of sewage, industrial chemicals and fire ants, and the inundation could last for weeks, experts say. If the storm were strong enough, Ivan could drive water over the tops of the levees that protect the city from the Mississippi River and vast Lake Pontchartrain. And with the city sitting in a saucer-shaped depression that dips as much as 9 feet below sea level, there would be nowhere for all that water to drain.

"Those folks who remain, should the city flood, would be exposed to all kinds of nightmares from buildings falling apart to floating in the water having nowhere to go," Ivor van Heerden, director of Louisiana State University's Hurricane Public Health Center, said Tuesday.

What if Hurricane Ivan Had Not Missed New Orleans?

November 2, 2004
by Shirley Laska,
Center for Hazards Assessment, Response and Technology
University of New Orleans

The major challenge to evacuation is the extremely limited number of evacuation routes...This problem of limited evacuation routes also plagues the rest of the delta plain of southeast and south central Louisiana.

The fact that 600,000 residents evacuated means an equal number did not. Recent evacuation surveys show that two-thirds of nonevacuees with the means to evacuate chose not to leave because they felt safe in their homes. Other nonevacuees with means relied on a cultural tradition of not leaving or were discouraged by negative experiences with past evacuations.

For those without means, the medically challenged, residents without personal transportation, and the homeless, evacuation requires significant assistance. The medically challenged often rely on life support equipment and are in such fragile states of health that they can only be moved short distances to medically equipped shelters. While a large storm-resistant structure with appropriate equipment has yet to be constructed or retrofitted, the Superdome was used to shelter nonevacuees during Ivan.

Residents who did not have personal transportation were unable to evacuate even if they wanted to. Approximately 120,000 residents (51,000 housing units x 2.4 persons/unit) do not have cars. A proposal made after the evacuation for Hurricane Georges to use public transit buses to assist in their evacuation out of the city was not implemented for Ivan. If Ivan had struck New Orleans directly it is estimated that 40-60,000 residents of the area would have perished.

Regional and national rescue resources would have to respond as rapidly as possible and would require augmentation by local private vessels (assuming some survived). And, even with this help, federal and state governments have estimated that it would take 10 days to rescue all those stranded within the city. No shelters within the city would be free of risk from rising water. Because of this threat, the American Red Cross will not open shelters in New Orleans during hurricanes greater than category 2; staffing them would put employees and volunteers at risk. For Ivan, only the Superdome was made available as a refuge of last resort for the medically challenged and the homeless.

From StateNet.com

Capitol Journal
September 27, 2004

LA CRITICISM HAS BLANCO STEAMED: LOUISIANA Gov. Kathleen Blanco (D) lashed out at national media outlets last week for continuing to portray the Pelican State as a den of political corruption. Blanco was miffed over articles in the Wall Street Journal and Newsweek that used images of shady Louisiana politics she claims are rooted in days long gone from the Baton Rouge Capitol building. The governor fired off protest letters to both publications and urged state business leaders to also speak up when they hear disparaging comments about the state. Blanco has made luring new business to the state a top priority of her administration, and said "it is important to answer that kind of remark" for that effort to be successful. "If you don't answer, then the image remains," she said. (THE ADVOCATE [BATON ROUGE])

August 26, 2005. Hurricane Katrina crosses Florida, enters the Gulf of Mexico and turns northwest.

Advisories from the Tulane University website

August 26, 2005 - 3:30 p.m.
We are currently monitoring Hurricane Katrina. At this time Tulane University is operating under normal conditions. Please continue to check this website and the Tulane Alert Line 504-862-8080 or, toll-free, 1-877-862-8080 for continued updates. The next update will be posted at 10 a.m. on August 27.

August 27, 2005 - 10 a.m.
In response to Hurricane Katrina's shift to the west, Tulane University will close as of 5 p.m. today, August 27. Classes will resume on Thursday, September 1. Tulane employees should report to work on Wednesday, August 31. Essential employees should contact their supervisors immediately regarding their work schedule.

New students arriving on campus for Orientation today should refer to this website for special instructions.

Everyone should begin implementing their personal hurricane plan now.

August 27, 2005 - 6 p.m.
The university is now closed due to the approach of Hurricane Katrina. University operations are expected to resume on Wednesday, August 31 and faculty and staff will return to work on that date. Students please note that classes will resume on Thursday, September 1.

The university initiated its residential student evacuation plan this afternoon and is transporting those students remaining on campus to Jackson State University.

August 28, 2005 - 11:30 a.m.
Tulane continues to prepare for Hurricane Katrina. One step in the process is that we will shut down our email system as of noon today. This will protect the equipment and allow restoration as early as possible.

At this time we do not know when the system will be back in operation.

August 28, 3 p.m.
The date for university employees to report to work will be determined after the storm passes.

In light of the projected severity of Hurricane Katrina, we have decided classes at Tulane University will not resume until Wednesday, September 7.

August 29, 1 p.m.
The worst of Hurricane Katrina has now passed through New Orleans and we will shortly begin the process of assessing the condition of our campuses.

The emergency team located on the uptown campus has been in frequent contact with the university's team at Jackson State University. The approximately 400 students who are located there and are accompanied by university officials, are doing well and are safe. In the next 24 hours we expect to finalize our plans regarding the resumption of university operations.

As previously announced, classes will begin no earlier than Wednesday, Sept. 7.

August 30, 11:45 a.m.
As you all know by now, New Orleans and the surrounding parishes were severely damaged by Hurricane Katrina. The physical damage to the area, including Tulane’s campuses, was extensive.

Unfortunately, conditions in the city continue to deteriorate, making it virtually impossible to begin recovery efforts. On a very positive note, in Tulane’s case, we are very thankful that all of our people are safe, including all the students and staff who evacuated to Jackson, Mississippi.

Given the uncertainties, we cannot determine at this time when employees and students should return to campus. We will do the best we can to keep you appraised of our situation and progress.

August 30, 7:30 p.m.
As I suspect you all know, there is no contingency plan that could ever be developed to respond to what the area and the university are experiencing.

August 31, 6 p.m.
Things continue to be unstable in New Orleans, although there is hope that we have experienced the worst. We continue to put the safety of students and employees first. We are working around the clock to bring continuity to the university and to re-establish our presence, however much of this is dependant on the city of New Orleans and Mother Nature. One of our greatest frustrations is our inability to communicate with our larger community due to the failure of all utilities, including e-mail and cell phones.

September 1, 4 p.m.
After five days on campus, our emergency team has just arrived in Houston from New Orleans, where we will be joined by the rest of our senior leadership team from locations around the country. We will be working out of Houston effective immediately.

From the AP via Yahoo News

By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
Sat Aug 27, 6:59 PM ET
Louisianans Told: Head for Higher Ground

NEW ORLEANS - Coastal residents jammed freeways and gas stations Saturday as they rushed to get out of the way of Hurricane Katrina, a vicious storm that is threatening to gain even more strength and make a direct hit on the New Orleans area.

Katrina was a Category 3 storm with 115 mph sustained wind Saturday, but the National Hurricane Center said it was likely to gain force over the Gulf of Mexico, where the surface water temperature was as high as 90 degrees — high-octane fuel for hurricanes. It could become a Category 4 monster with wind of at least 131 mph before reaching land early Monday.

By 5 p.m. EDT Saturday, the eye of the hurricane was about 380 miles southeast of the mouth of the Mississippi River and about 240 miles west of Key West, Fla. It was moving west at nearly 7 mph, the hurricane center said.

"We know that we're going to take the brunt of it," Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said. "It does not bode well for southeastern Louisiana."

New Orleans' worst hurricane disaster happened 40 years ago, when Hurricane Betsy blasted the Gulf Coast. Flood waters approached 20 feet in some areas, fishing villages were flattened, and the storm surge left almost half of New Orleans under water and 60,000 residents homeless. Seventy-four people died in Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida.

CNN weather advisory

Sunday, August 28, 2005; Posted: 7:49 a.m. EDT

Hurricane Katrina hits Category 5

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Hurricane Katrina intensified Sunday to a Category 5 storm as it churned towards the U.S. Gulf Coast with maximum sustained winds of 160 mph. The storm is expected to make landfall on Monday.

Mandatory evacuations were in effect for some of Louisiana's low-lying areas; residents in other low-lying areas are being encouraged to leave.

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is not a test. This is the real deal," New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said at a news conference.

He urged people to remain calm, "board up your homes, make sure you have medicine, make sure your car has enough gas in it," and prepare to leave.

Robert Latham, director of the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency, said the state was recommending evacuations along the coast "and even several counties inland." Mandatory evacuations could follow later, he said.

President announces phone calls to Gulf Coast governors

[With the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi dragging their feet about ordering mandatory evacuations, the President called them sometime between 7:50 a.m. and 12:00 noon when the Mayor of New Orleans finally announced a mandatory evac for the city.]

President Discusses Hurricane Katrina
Prairie Chapel Ranch
Crawford, Texas
August 28, 2005, 12:31 a.m. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: This morning I spoke with FEMA Undersecretary Mike Brown and emergency management teams not only at the federal level but at the state level about the -- Hurricane Katrina. I've also spoken to Governor Blanco of Louisiana, Governor Barbour of Mississippi, Governor Bush of Florida, and Governor Riley of Alabama. I want to thank all the folks at the federal level and the state level and the local level who have taken this storm seriously. I appreciate the efforts of the governors to prepare their citizenry for this upcoming storm.

Yesterday [Saturday, Aug. 27], I signed a disaster declaration for the state of Louisiana, and this morning I signed a disaster declaration for the state of Mississippi. These declarations will allow federal agencies to coordinate all disaster relief efforts with state and local officials. We will do everything in our power to help the people in the communities affected by this storm.

Hurricane Katrina is now designated a category five hurricane. We cannot stress enough the danger this hurricane poses to Gulf Coast communities. I urge all citizens to put their own safety and the safety of their families first by moving to safe ground. Please listen carefully to instructions provided by state and local officials.

Excerpt from CNN story

[Note the time. Nagin ordered the mandatory evac shortly AFTER President Bush finished speaking with the governors. It was reported at the time that the President "suggested" a mandatory evacuation be issued. He gave local officials a short time to save face and do it in advance of his statement. Then he walked to the microphone in Texas to announce the state of emergency orders -- and to urge people to leave and listen carefully to instructions from local officials.]

New Orleans braces for monster hurricane
Monday, August 29, 2005; Posted: 12:10 a.m. EDT (04:10 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans braced for a catastrophic blow from Hurricane Katrina overnight, as forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could drive a wall of water over the city's levees.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city.

"This is a threat that we've never faced before," Nagin said. "If we galvanize and gather around each other, I'm sure we will get through this."

He exempted essential federal, state, and local personnel; emergency and utility workers; transit workers; media; hotel workers; and patrons from the evacuation order. Nagin estimated that nearly 1 million people had fled the city and its surrounding parishes by Sunday night.

Between 20,000 and 25,000 others who remained in the city lined up to take shelter in the Louisiana Superdome, lining up for what authorities warned would be an unpleasant day and a half at minimum.

Jesse St. Amant, the emergency management chief for Louisiana's southernmost Plaquemines Parish, said nearly 95 percent of the parish's 27,000-plus residents had fled by Sunday afternoon. Those who remained were being told that they are "gambling with their own lives."

"I think they just don't believe something of this nature can ever happen in their lifespan, and I think they're going to be wrong," he said.

CBS bulletin when Katrina made landfall

Katrina Makes Landfall
NEW ORLEANS, Monday, August 29, 2005

(CBS/AP) Hurricane Katrina came ashore just east of Grand Isle, Louisiana, at 6:30 a.m. ET. About a hundred miles to the north, New Orleans is said to be 80 percent evacuated, with the potential for historic damage. Evacuations were also ordered in Alabama and Mississippi.

New Orleans initially thought to have avoided "the big one"

Katrina Fades, Destruction In Wake
NEW ORLEANS, August 29, 2005

The president of the New Orleans city council estimated that more than 100 people in the city are stranded on their rooftops or in their attics, because they have up to 14 feet of floodwaters in and around their homes, reports Dave Cohen of CBS radio affiliate WWL. Until the winds die down and rescue crews can safely get out, those people are stranded where they are.

In New Orleans' historic French Quarter of Napoleonic-era buildings with wrought-iron balconies, water pooled in the streets from the driving rain, but the area appeared to have escaped the catastrophic flooding that forecasters had predicted.

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Late Monday, a party atmosphere prevailed in the French Quarter, with the media reporting that the city appeared to have been spared the catastrophic damage predicted over the weekend. Even when the first ominous news reached the media -- via a phone interview between CNN's Rick Sanchez and the Vice President of Tulane University Hospital -- that water was rising in the city, the media was still very slow to catch on to the danger. Even CNN blew what most likely was it's most important exclusive breaking news in it's history.

By Tuesday morning, August 30, as the extent of the flooding in New Orleans and damage all along the Gulf Coast became apparent, the media was STILL slow to grasp the significance of what was happening in New Orleans.

Here on FR, I posted the following breaking news thread at 11:47:04pm, Pacific time, Monday, August 29 -- equals 1:47am Central time, Tuesday, August 30. This was the first media report of the levee break. Even as the hospital VP was speaking with CNN's Rick Sanchez, he -- and CNN -- were slow to comprehend the catastrophic nature of what she was telling them.

URGENT BREAKING: Massive two-block break, Lake Ponchatrain levee flooding downtown N.O.
CNN TV hurricane news coverage | 8/29/05
Posted on 08/29/2005 11:47:04 PM PDT by Wolfstar

Just broke on CNN about five minutes ago. Rick Sanchez was interviewing the VP of Tulane University Hospital, which is located in downtown New Orleans. She said the water is rising around the hospital at a rate of about one inch per minute. She said if it continues at that rate, she will have to call FEMA to ask them to bring in helicopters to evacuate the hospital.

She said there are about 1000 patients in the hospital, and that it has a helipad on the roof. It would be the only way to get everyone out. Hospital officials have not made the decision yet to call FEMA.

The hospital VP also said that police officials told her there is a two-block long break in the 17th street levee which helps to hold back Lake Ponchatrain. She said the water is flowing so fast that there are whitecaps on Canal Street.

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Excerpt from a USA Today article

On the day after, sobering lessons from Katrina
August 30, 2005 8:52 PM

As the full impact of Hurricane Katrina began to sink in Tuesday — New Orleans flooding, scenes of devastation along the Gulf Coast, a death toll of dozens and rising — perhaps the broadest lesson was the reminder that in the contest of nature vs. man, nature at its most powerful retains the upper hand.

First impressions can be misleading. Reporters and officials at first reported jubilantly that the old downtown of New Orleans had been spared the worst. But by Tuesday morning, water was flooding in as levees and pumps failed. Officials discussed how to get the people remaining in the city out. The magnitude of the devastation there, and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, eclipsed Monday's initial assessments.

Wednesday, August 31, 6:44pm
Michigan National Guard troops going to help Katrina victims

In addition to millions of dollars in aid flowing from citizens of Michigan to the storm ravaged Gulf Coast following Hurricane Katrina, some official help is soon going to be on the way from the state.

Members of the Michigan National Guard will be heading to the area hardest hit by Katrina to offer what ever assistance they can.

Carnival: Feds ask about using cruise ships in Katrina relief

WIS-TV Columbia - Aug 31 11:56 AM
(Miami-AP) August 31, 2005 - Miami-based Carnival Cruise Lines says it is considering a federal request that the company use some of its cruise ships as emergency shelters or help in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts in some other way.

Pentagon coordinating massive response to Katrina

(Washington-AP) August 31, 2005 - Every branch of the US military is involved in the rescue-and-relief mission following Hurricane Katrina.

The US Northern Command is coordinating search and rescue, medical help and supplies. The work will support the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

Bus convoy to start ferrying Katrina evacuees to Houston

(Houston-AP) August 31, 2005 - The evacuees from Hurricane Katrina who've been housed at the Louisiana Superdome will be headed to Houston, where shelter is being set up for them at the Astrodome.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency is providing nearly 500 buses for a convoy that will begin Wednesday, traveling the 350 miles to Houston.

A spokeswoman for Texas Governor Rick Perry says the Astrodome's schedule has been cleared through December to serve as a shelter for evacuees.

More National Guardsmen are sent in
By Adam Nossiter
ASSOCIATED PRESS
6:51 a.m. September 1, 2005

NEW ORLEANS – The evacuation of the Superdome was suspended Thursday because of fires and gunshots outside the arena, authorities said, as National Guardsmen in armored vehicles poured into New Orleans to help restore order across the increasingly lawless and desperate city.

The first of 500 busloads of people who were evacuated from the hot and stinking Louisiana Superdome arrived early Thursday at their new temporary home – another sports arena, the Houston Astrodome, 350 miles away.



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To: Wolfstar

wonderful job -- thanks for working on this


141 posted on 09/03/2005 9:39:54 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Howlin
I know you meant Aug. 26. But...

A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor.

Quelling civil disturbances was not the issue before the storm. It is now. In context of the whole article, these discussion have clearly been in the last couple of days not before the storm.

I really wish the administration had Blanco nailed to the wall on this one but they don't or they would have told us long ago.

Please don't go running with this one folks - you'll make us look bad. Wait a day and if there really was such an offer on Aug 26, you'll know for sure.

142 posted on 09/03/2005 9:40:22 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: cpdiii
Those that were not able to leave because they were ill, infirm, or had no means to leave were not able to leave because those responsible to provide the means to leave did not provide this nor did they have any plans prior to the flooding for evacuating these people.

Precisely. The Governor of Louisiana and Mayor of New Orleans had a close call one year ago thanks to Hurricane Ivan. Their response then was the same as it was before Katrina hit this past Monday. They knew there were problems with their emergency planning a year ago, and they did nothing to correct those problems.

143 posted on 09/03/2005 9:41:44 PM PDT by Wolfstar (NOTE TO MSM: Each state is sovereign over its own territory. GWB is NOT king of the U.S.)
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To: Wolfstar

Yup! I am on it!


144 posted on 09/03/2005 9:42:27 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Bergen County, NJ (northeast corner)
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To: Wolfstar

Wolfstar - you did a great job on the timeline, but I really think you are misinterpreting the date of the federal offer to take over - can you come up with another source?


145 posted on 09/03/2005 9:42:34 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: McGavin999
Print this out folks, save a copy of this to your hard drives and e-mail it to everyone you know.

Thanks for urging people to do this, McGavin.

146 posted on 09/03/2005 9:42:52 PM PDT by Wolfstar (NOTE TO MSM: Each state is sovereign over its own territory. GWB is NOT king of the U.S.)
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To: Peach; Wolfstar

I think I may be wrong.

I scanned through it as I have had a bunch of phone calls, and I think it WAS last night.

It doesn't matter though, because she's making a HUGE mistake:

She wants it all........and now she's going to get it:


***Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the federal government:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1476866/posts
Governor Blanco Announces Executive Order


147 posted on 09/03/2005 9:43:03 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Wolfstar
Thanks for the superb work, Wolfie.

Too bad the White House PR staff will never wake from its long-standing Rip Van Winkle mode to do something similar and get it out as talking points.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Leni

148 posted on 09/03/2005 9:43:47 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: nwctwx; Wolfstar
nwctwx, do you know where to look for archived maps of the official NHC forecast tracks, and archives of the models they use? Would really be helpful to provide graphical time stamps of when the models first started converging on SE LA. IIRC, the 12z run (7am central?) of one of the most realiable models had shifted west to a LA hit, and that by midday many of the models were converging on LA, but not enough for the NHC to shift all the way to LA, so the 5pm (4 central) NHC forecast track was shifted only west to Pascagoula. Am trying to illustrate the big forecast shifts on Friday and the data prompting that took place long before 11pm, and thus the argument that "We went to bed Friday night thinking it was a FL hurricane and woke up to find it a LA hurricane" is a total lie.

Here's a post that states that the 18z model run of Bamm,GFDL, GFS all showed a LA hit, but his link is too a graphic that was continually updated, rather than archived:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1471043/posts?page=526#526"

149 posted on 09/03/2005 9:44:04 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (Gone, gone with the waves....)
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To: Howlin

I'm confused about it all too.


150 posted on 09/03/2005 9:44:08 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Wolfstar

Thanks so much for the post...this shows that for every impending disaster or storm, we need tostart the recording fromt he beginning so that history cannot be re-written.


151 posted on 09/03/2005 9:45:56 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: sgtyork
I don't really have a time line. I'm mainly just referring to what FEMA director Brown said about only having three days from Saturday to Monday once they knew (or thought they knew) where the storm was going.

So my only point was it should have been pretty clear they were going to need to get food and water in New Orleans 7 days before it actually arrived in quantity.

BTW, I realized I was wrong in the day count. I was counting Monday twice.

The domestic security chief said the probability that the storm would hit New Orleans increased last Saturday, giving relatively little time to prepare before it made landfall on Monday.


152 posted on 09/03/2005 9:45:58 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: DaveTesla
Is it me or did the Governor and the Mayor play politics with this situation?

It's not just you. They did. They still are.

153 posted on 09/03/2005 9:46:09 PM PDT by Wolfstar (NOTE TO MSM: Each state is sovereign over its own territory. GWB is NOT king of the U.S.)
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To: JulieRNR21

Thanks, Julie.


154 posted on 09/03/2005 9:46:46 PM PDT by Wolfstar (NOTE TO MSM: Each state is sovereign over its own territory. GWB is NOT king of the U.S.)
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To: heartwood

I agree if you'll reread the thread; I read the article too quickly.

And do NOT lecture me, please.


155 posted on 09/03/2005 9:47:35 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Peach; Wolfstar

sorry, Wolfstar, thought you'd posted the WP article along with the rest.

Peach, was wondering if you'd come across another source that clarified the date.


156 posted on 09/03/2005 9:48:11 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: Peach

We might be wrong... terribly vague, but it really doesn't matter. Total imcomptence on the parts of that paranoid mayor and the governor. The fact still remains that Bush made the right moves BEFORE the storm, and they didn't follow thru. They thought they'd dodge this bullet. Gambled and lost.


157 posted on 09/03/2005 9:48:23 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: new cruelty; kcvl; I got the rope

I think it was last night, not last Friday night.


158 posted on 09/03/2005 9:48:56 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Wolfstar

Thank you for all the hard work you put into this outstanding thread, Wolfstar! I'll ping my biggest list here...


159 posted on 09/03/2005 9:49:06 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: roses of sharon

"WE are doing it now."


No problem. I was expressing my opinion about the right time to do it not telling anyone what to do. The left has been trying to assign blame too so I understand the motivation but honestly I don't think they are helping themselves.

There is a positive story to tell instead - that President Bush personally intervened to get the evacuation underway.


160 posted on 09/03/2005 9:49:09 PM PDT by gondramB
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