Skip to comments.Fewer Bodies Than Expected Found in Sweeps
Posted on 09/09/2005 11:05:16 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
Authorities said Friday that their first systematic sweep of the city found far fewer bodies than expected, suggesting that Hurricane Katrina's death toll may not be the catastrophic 10,000 feared.
"I think there's some encouragement in what we've found in the initial sweeps that some of the catastrophic deaths that some people predicted may not have occurred," said Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief.
Ebbert declined to give a new estimate of the dead.
Authorities turned their attention to counting and removing the dead in a grid-by-grid search of the city after spending days cajoling, persuading and all but strong-arming the living into leaving the shattered city because of the danger of fires and disease from the filthy, corpse-laden floodwaters.
"Numbers so far are relatively minor as compared to the dire projections of 10,000," Ebbert said.
Mayor Ray Nagin had suggested over the weekend that the death toll could climb that high, and authorities ordered 25,000 body bags as they started gathering up the dead across a landscape awash in corpses.
Separately, Maj. Gen. Bill Caldwell, commanding general of 82nd Airborne Division, said the last of the bodies at the convention center would be taken out on Friday. Thousands of people took shelter there after the hurricane for days with little or no food or water, in what became an increasingly chaotic and violent situation.
In a small sign of progress, authorities said the New Orleans airport will reopen to commercial flights on Sept. 19. Caldwell said water and power are functioning at the airport.
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""Numbers so far are relatively minor as compared to the dire projections of 10,000," Ebbert said.
I'm sticking with my initial prediction of around 2500 in NOLA. Someone else suggested 25000, but I doubt it will get that high."
I'mm holding off on numbers - there is NO but don't forget the string of barrier islands that disappeared - plus Miisissippi took the big hit. I guess the big question is - Worse than Galveston?
It was obvious from the git-go that the 10,000 figure was hype to create more of a sense of disaster.
Gators got 'em... ;)
"Has anyone seen anything like an estimate of missing persons (lists of names of persons unaccounted for)?"
There are lists and they are vast - but don't forget there is no phone service yet - it'll take weeeks - but one list on the net had 50 names per page and it seemed like ten pages to get past the aarons
Thank heavens for that!
I remember that. They were estimating 50,000 had the people in the towers gotten to work on time.
Or gators. How are they going to count those washed back into the sea? There is still a lot of junk around. Probably a lot under that mess.
People who live on Barrier islands are a) rich, and b) not stupid. I'm betting virtually all of them got out. Mississippi was better prepared, and they are not finding anywhere near the number of bodies there (although there is no doubt the receeding waters might have carried them away).
But this story was about NO, not the other parishes and counties of Mississippi.
""None - they had better NG presence and food/water""
"Do you have a definitive source for that NONE claim?"
google "deaths at superdome" - there were some casualties there but one was a suicide and there were a couple heart attack type things - but no violent deaths.
"I bet if the dead have autopsy's performed all but a small handful will have died from the hurricane and not lack of food and water."
I would think there are virtually no hurricane deaths - but lots of heart attacdks, strokes, heat exhaustion (a day in an attic with no water!!!)
But there will be tons of drownings from the flood caused by canals that did not have locks on them - how f'in stupid.
Good News for Nagin who is only responsible for a tenth as many negligent homicides as he was yesterday.
Translation: We need to find a different stick to beat GWB with, I think there was an earthquake in New Guinea that he slept through...
Didn't someone post a vanity on this forum a week ago that predicted exactly this?
Why is the MSM so lacking in common sense?
Not 10,000 bodies that the Slimes, Compost and LSM have been reporting?
There is quite a current thru these canals, and while there are locks upstream, but the breach was right next to the lake.
The surge in the lake topped the levee along a broad front, but only broke it in a couple places. There is no lock on the levee adjacent to the lake.
The area in lower right is the lake. You can see it totally whiped out the lake side wall of the levee.
It used to look like this
I was surprised there wasn't a second defensive dike...inside of that one between that one and downtown...even a ring of higher ground...when you look at that photo downtown looks like a long way away...
The only list I've seen is the missing persons database on nola.com (the Times Picayune web site). But it isn't organized (it consists of roughly 500 messages from people trying to find loved ones). One wonders how many of the poorest and most vulnerable residents in NO have relatives with internet access.
"The surge in the lake topped the levee along a broad front, but only broke it in a couple places. There is no lock on the levee adjacent to the lake.
The area in lower right is the lake. You can see it totally whiped out the lake side wall of the levee."
Nice pics - notice all the debris that almost camed the canal at the bridge - its a shame they did not tow some hulls and sink them there - a couple dozen 40' sloops with 10,000 lb keels and tarps strung over the side would have plugged it.
I think NRO had a link yesterday to a big list of people seeking people - it was big
"I'm betting virtually all of them got out. "
From your mouth to God's ear.
"Democrats have urged the appointment of an independent panel like the Sept. 11 commission."
We all know how well that worked out!
I'm sure that the looters will all turn over their weapons too.
I guess that is one way to make people leave. "You can stay, but you won't be able to defend yourself from anyone who wants to rob, rape or murder you. Have a nice day."
The media started backing off this story two days ago. Rather than blast the idiot mayor who was throwing the figure around, Reuters said the hero mayor maybe did it to get the White House moving. So, the mayor lies...thousands didn't die and whose fault is it? Who do we blame,
BUSH, Of course.
ROTFLMAO.....YOU ARE SO RIGHT..ALSO LOVE YOUR SENSE
The lowest number of dead bodies found, the better off everything will be. Last Tuesday night a FReeper had reports from ground zero in the immediate aftermath of Katrina, that placed the numbers in the thousands. Originally I thought 500-1000 people would turn up dead. Someone else said 10K! Another said 25K!! Lets all hope and pray for a low body count.
That's close to my prediction of 4700 TOTAL (LA, MI, and AL).
Is that higher or lower than the number that would have been murdered in New Orleans on a normal Friady night?
I wonder how many of those gators were shipped into N O from FL by Jeb Bush to get rid of the evidence?
All of them , God knows there are no gators in Louisana.
Makes you wonder who "they" were, exactly, in each case.
I'm waiting for him to start calling it Hurricane KKKatrina....
You may be on to something there...
LOL! I think we've both been peaking in on DUh one too many times.
There's activity at the Port of New Orleans. The airport is scheduled to resume commercial flights in a week. Parts of town are high and dry. The levees have been plugged. The convention center and Superdome have been emptied. There have been a whopping four confirmed deaths due to toxic flood water -- no waves of cholera and typhoid sweeping the drowned city. Now the cleanup crews are finding a whole lotta nuthin', where we were told that bodies would be knee-deep after the water receded.
The media have never been immune to sensationalism, and I'm getting a sneaking suspicion we've been had. Yeah, it's bad. But it's not half as bad as we've been led to believe it is.
No Gnews is Good Gnews with the MSM.
I had predicted 1250 a couple of days ago. Here's hoping I was too high.
They are. Life is cheap to these people, in spite of their phony tears. Besides, I suspect they would consider the dead to be "martyrs" to the cause if their deaths contribute to the "fall of the Bush regime".
You may be on to something there...
So how many bodies of people who recently died in nearby states have been moved into New Orleans to try to cash in?
"Many have already been reconnected."
Thank God -
I can't see any tourists running down to Orleans for at least four months. It'll be locals from Dallas and Houston that might drive down to spend a weekend at the French Quarter...but without major hotels in operation...this will be a odd-deal.
The odd thing here is that you can draw a circle around the flooded area, and alot of the city simply never was under water. The French Quarter never was. And its stupid to kick everyone out if your area is unaffected. And as for the bodies...at the end, we need to ask how many had bullet holes in them. There is a difference between dying of heat exhaustion at the Dome, drowning in the water while you were supposed to leave, and getting shot. And I'll bet the mayor doesn't want to discuss the guys who got shot (it is likely to be more than 20).
Is this Nagin ever right about anything?
This time I'm very thankful he is wrong.
Isn't it odd that people who stayed and didn't lose everything are being forced to leave and lose everything?
The French Quarter is fine. Rush he heard there are hotels down there that are good to go as soon as they get the electricity back on.
The same people who wanted to go to NY after it was hit to help them out. If they clean up the tourism areas and keep law and order the people will come.
"I'm starting to get the disturbing feeling that I've been duped by media hysteria. The stories dribbling out of New Orleans all indicate that the initial assessments were exaggerated in almost every instance -- length of time to halt the flooding, length of time to evacuate the refugees, time for the flood to recede, toxicity of the floodwater, disease, deaths ..."
I'm getting that same feeling---- how long it will take to get the town pumped out....how long til they can hold Mardi Gras...
Well, of course! And the Nat'l Guardsmen who drive the dumpsters to mass graves in the dead of night won't say a word either.