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Fewer Bodies Than Expected Found in Sweeps
AP ^ | September 9, 2005 | DON BABWIN

Posted on 09/09/2005 11:05:16 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

Authorities said Friday that their first systematic sweep of the city found far fewer bodies than expected, suggesting that Hurricane Katrina's death toll may not be the catastrophic 10,000 feared.

"I think there's some encouragement in what we've found in the initial sweeps that some of the catastrophic deaths that some people predicted may not have occurred," said Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief.

Ebbert declined to give a new estimate of the dead.

Authorities turned their attention to counting and removing the dead in a grid-by-grid search of the city after spending days cajoling, persuading and all but strong-arming the living into leaving the shattered city because of the danger of fires and disease from the filthy, corpse-laden floodwaters.

"Numbers so far are relatively minor as compared to the dire projections of 10,000," Ebbert said.

Mayor Ray Nagin had suggested over the weekend that the death toll could climb that high, and authorities ordered 25,000 body bags as they started gathering up the dead across a landscape awash in corpses.

Separately, Maj. Gen. Bill Caldwell, commanding general of 82nd Airborne Division, said the last of the bodies at the convention center would be taken out on Friday. Thousands of people took shelter there after the hurricane for days with little or no food or water, in what became an increasingly chaotic and violent situation.

In a small sign of progress, authorities said the New Orleans airport will reopen to commercial flights on Sept. 19. Caldwell said water and power are functioning at the airport.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: katrina; neworleans
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To: konaice

""Numbers so far are relatively minor as compared to the dire projections of 10,000," Ebbert said.
I'm sticking with my initial prediction of around 2500 in NOLA. Someone else suggested 25000, but I doubt it will get that high."

I'mm holding off on numbers - there is NO but don't forget the string of barrier islands that disappeared - plus Miisissippi took the big hit. I guess the big question is - Worse than Galveston?


51 posted on 09/09/2005 12:36:16 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: West Coast Conservative

It was obvious from the git-go that the 10,000 figure was hype to create more of a sense of disaster.


52 posted on 09/09/2005 12:36:55 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: West Coast Conservative
Fewer Bodies Than Expected Found in Sweeps

Gators got 'em... ;)

53 posted on 09/09/2005 12:37:49 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: megatherium

"Has anyone seen anything like an estimate of missing persons (lists of names of persons unaccounted for)?"

There are lists and they are vast - but don't forget there is no phone service yet - it'll take weeeks - but one list on the net had 50 names per page and it seemed like ten pages to get past the aarons


54 posted on 09/09/2005 12:38:33 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: West Coast Conservative

Thank heavens for that!


55 posted on 09/09/2005 12:39:06 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Alouette
They were estimating 30,000 on 9/11.

I remember that. They were estimating 50,000 had the people in the towers gotten to work on time.

56 posted on 09/09/2005 12:39:53 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: dfwgator

Or gators. How are they going to count those washed back into the sea? There is still a lot of junk around. Probably a lot under that mess.


57 posted on 09/09/2005 12:40:10 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (All democrats are ENEMIES of the Republic!)
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To: spanalot
string of barrier islands that disappeared - plus Miisissippi took the big hit.

People who live on Barrier islands are a) rich, and b) not stupid. I'm betting virtually all of them got out. Mississippi was better prepared, and they are not finding anywhere near the number of bodies there (although there is no doubt the receeding waters might have carried them away).

But this story was about NO, not the other parishes and counties of Mississippi.

58 posted on 09/09/2005 12:42:30 PM PDT by konaice
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To: konaice

""None - they had better NG presence and food/water""
"Do you have a definitive source for that NONE claim?"

google "deaths at superdome" - there were some casualties there but one was a suicide and there were a couple heart attack type things - but no violent deaths.


59 posted on 09/09/2005 12:44:45 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: snarkytart

"I bet if the dead have autopsy's performed all but a small handful will have died from the hurricane and not lack of food and water."

I would think there are virtually no hurricane deaths - but lots of heart attacdks, strokes, heat exhaustion (a day in an attic with no water!!!)

But there will be tons of drownings from the flood caused by canals that did not have locks on them - how f'in stupid.


60 posted on 09/09/2005 12:47:45 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: West Coast Conservative

Good News for Nagin who is only responsible for a tenth as many negligent homicides as he was yesterday.


61 posted on 09/09/2005 12:49:40 PM PDT by ez (Team Democrat...Blanco kept the Red Cross out while Nagin kept the refugees in.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Fewer Bodies Than Expected Found in Sweeps

Translation: We need to find a different stick to beat GWB with, I think there was an earthquake in New Guinea that he slept through...

62 posted on 09/09/2005 12:52:14 PM PDT by scottinoc
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To: West Coast Conservative

Didn't someone post a vanity on this forum a week ago that predicted exactly this?

Why is the MSM so lacking in common sense?


63 posted on 09/09/2005 1:02:47 PM PDT by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: konaice

Not 10,000 bodies that the Slimes, Compost and LSM have been reporting?

Well TDIDS!!!


64 posted on 09/09/2005 1:06:12 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: spanalot
canals that did not have locks on them

There is quite a current thru these canals, and while there are locks upstream, but the breach was right next to the lake.

The surge in the lake topped the levee along a broad front, but only broke it in a couple places. There is no lock on the levee adjacent to the lake.

The area in lower right is the lake. You can see it totally whiped out the lake side wall of the levee.

It used to look like this


65 posted on 09/09/2005 1:13:15 PM PDT by konaice
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To: konaice

I was surprised there wasn't a second defensive dike...inside of that one between that one and downtown...even a ring of higher ground...when you look at that photo downtown looks like a long way away...


66 posted on 09/09/2005 1:23:59 PM PDT by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: spanalot
There are lists and they are vast - but don't forget there is no phone service yet - it'll take weeeks - but one list on the net had 50 names per page and it seemed like ten pages to get past the aarons

The only list I've seen is the missing persons database on nola.com (the Times Picayune web site). But it isn't organized (it consists of roughly 500 messages from people trying to find loved ones). One wonders how many of the poorest and most vulnerable residents in NO have relatives with internet access.

67 posted on 09/09/2005 1:40:43 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: konaice

"The surge in the lake topped the levee along a broad front, but only broke it in a couple places. There is no lock on the levee adjacent to the lake.

The area in lower right is the lake. You can see it totally whiped out the lake side wall of the levee."

Nice pics - notice all the debris that almost camed the canal at the bridge - its a shame they did not tow some hulls and sink them there - a couple dozen 40' sloops with 10,000 lb keels and tarps strung over the side would have plugged it.


68 posted on 09/09/2005 1:49:23 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: megatherium

I think NRO had a link yesterday to a big list of people seeking people - it was big


69 posted on 09/09/2005 1:50:44 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: konaice

"I'm betting virtually all of them got out. "

From your mouth to God's ear.


70 posted on 09/09/2005 1:55:36 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: West Coast Conservative

"Democrats have urged the appointment of an independent panel like the Sept. 11 commission."

We all know how well that worked out!


71 posted on 09/09/2005 2:01:29 PM PDT by keats5
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To: West Coast Conservative
"No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons," Riley said.

I'm sure that the looters will all turn over their weapons too.

I guess that is one way to make people leave. "You can stay, but you won't be able to defend yourself from anyone who wants to rob, rape or murder you. Have a nice day."

72 posted on 09/09/2005 2:03:56 PM PDT by kennedy ("Why would I listen to losers?")
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To: snarkytart

The media started backing off this story two days ago. Rather than blast the idiot mayor who was throwing the figure around, Reuters said the hero mayor maybe did it to get the White House moving. So, the mayor lies...thousands didn't die and whose fault is it? Who do we blame,

BUSH, Of course.


73 posted on 09/09/2005 2:06:31 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: fatteddy
I wish they'd hire Anne Coulter to head up the White House PR effort or the be the White House Press Secretary. That I'd like. She'd give those idiots that look
74 posted on 09/09/2005 2:08:35 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: dfwgator

ROTFLMAO.....YOU ARE SO RIGHT..ALSO LOVE YOUR SENSE
OF HUMOR......JAKE


75 posted on 09/09/2005 2:11:50 PM PDT by sanjacjake
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To: West Coast Conservative

The lowest number of dead bodies found, the better off everything will be. Last Tuesday night a FReeper had reports from ground zero in the immediate aftermath of Katrina, that placed the numbers in the thousands. Originally I thought 500-1000 people would turn up dead. Someone else said 10K! Another said 25K!! Lets all hope and pray for a low body count.


76 posted on 09/09/2005 2:13:00 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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To: konaice

That's close to my prediction of 4700 TOTAL (LA, MI, and AL).


77 posted on 09/09/2005 4:06:48 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Is that higher or lower than the number that would have been murdered in New Orleans on a normal Friady night?


78 posted on 09/09/2005 4:08:05 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: Caipirabob

I wonder how many of those gators were shipped into N O from FL by Jeb Bush to get rid of the evidence?


79 posted on 09/09/2005 4:08:40 PM PDT by isrul
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To: isrul

All of them , God knows there are no gators in Louisana.


80 posted on 09/09/2005 4:17:19 PM PDT by usmcobra
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To: Alouette

Makes you wonder who "they" were, exactly, in each case.


81 posted on 09/09/2005 4:18:08 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dfwgator
Waiting for Major Owens to claim that 20,000 blacks were eaten by sharks in the Gulf after Katrina washed them away.

I'm waiting for him to start calling it Hurricane KKKatrina....

82 posted on 09/09/2005 4:19:10 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Molan Labe)
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To: isrul
I wonder how many of those gators were shipped into N O from FL by Jeb Bush to get rid of the evidence?

You may be on to something there...

LOL! I think we've both been peaking in on DUh one too many times.

83 posted on 09/09/2005 4:25:20 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: West Coast Conservative
They sound almost disappointed.

Apparently Blanco and Nagin have failed to kill as many citizens as hoped.
84 posted on 09/09/2005 5:04:31 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: West Coast Conservative
I'm starting to get the disturbing feeling that I've been duped by media hysteria. The stories dribbling out of New Orleans all indicate that the initial assessments were exaggerated in almost every instance -- length of time to halt the flooding, length of time to evacuate the refugees, time for the flood to recede, toxicity of the floodwater, disease, deaths ...

There's activity at the Port of New Orleans. The airport is scheduled to resume commercial flights in a week. Parts of town are high and dry. The levees have been plugged. The convention center and Superdome have been emptied. There have been a whopping four confirmed deaths due to toxic flood water -- no waves of cholera and typhoid sweeping the drowned city. Now the cleanup crews are finding a whole lotta nuthin', where we were told that bodies would be knee-deep after the water receded.

The media have never been immune to sensationalism, and I'm getting a sneaking suspicion we've been had. Yeah, it's bad. But it's not half as bad as we've been led to believe it is.

85 posted on 09/09/2005 5:28:04 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: NYC Republican

No Gnews is Good Gnews with the MSM.


86 posted on 09/09/2005 7:01:30 PM PDT by mcg2000 (Wolf Blitzer: "They're all so desperate, so poor and so black.")
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To: dfwgator

LAO!


87 posted on 09/09/2005 7:03:27 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: Alouette

I had predicted 1250 a couple of days ago. Here's hoping I was too high.


88 posted on 09/09/2005 7:10:48 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: IrishGOP
they sound disappointed.

They are. Life is cheap to these people, in spite of their phony tears. Besides, I suspect they would consider the dead to be "martyrs" to the cause if their deaths contribute to the "fall of the Bush regime".

90 posted on 09/09/2005 7:42:22 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: spanalot
Fox said today there are hundreds of children separated from their families....Data base with name when know and pictures of the little one set up....Many have already been reconnected.
91 posted on 09/09/2005 8:31:50 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: Caipirabob
I wonder how many of those gators were shipped into N O from FL by Jeb Bush to get rid of the evidence?

You may be on to something there...

So how many bodies of people who recently died in nearby states have been moved into New Orleans to try to cash in?

92 posted on 09/09/2005 9:41:41 PM PDT by still_learning (Will Rogers never met Dick Durbin)
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To: hoosiermama

"Many have already been reconnected."

Thank God -


93 posted on 09/09/2005 9:48:46 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Graymatter

I can't see any tourists running down to Orleans for at least four months. It'll be locals from Dallas and Houston that might drive down to spend a weekend at the French Quarter...but without major hotels in operation...this will be a odd-deal.

The odd thing here is that you can draw a circle around the flooded area, and alot of the city simply never was under water. The French Quarter never was. And its stupid to kick everyone out if your area is unaffected. And as for the bodies...at the end, we need to ask how many had bullet holes in them. There is a difference between dying of heat exhaustion at the Dome, drowning in the water while you were supposed to leave, and getting shot. And I'll bet the mayor doesn't want to discuss the guys who got shot (it is likely to be more than 20).


94 posted on 09/09/2005 9:56:41 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: West Coast Conservative

Is this Nagin ever right about anything?

This time I'm very thankful he is wrong.


95 posted on 09/10/2005 12:10:06 AM PDT by dervish
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To: Graymatter

Isn't it odd that people who stayed and didn't lose everything are being forced to leave and lose everything?


96 posted on 09/10/2005 12:14:00 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Graymatter
What for? No residents, no businesses.

The French Quarter is fine. Rush he heard there are hotels down there that are good to go as soon as they get the electricity back on.

97 posted on 09/10/2005 12:17:13 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: teenyelliott
Ummm, am I missing something? Who wants to go there right now?????

The same people who wanted to go to NY after it was hit to help them out. If they clean up the tourism areas and keep law and order the people will come.

98 posted on 09/10/2005 12:19:27 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: IronJack

"I'm starting to get the disturbing feeling that I've been duped by media hysteria. The stories dribbling out of New Orleans all indicate that the initial assessments were exaggerated in almost every instance -- length of time to halt the flooding, length of time to evacuate the refugees, time for the flood to recede, toxicity of the floodwater, disease, deaths ..."

I'm getting that same feeling---- how long it will take to get the town pumped out....how long til they can hold Mardi Gras...


99 posted on 09/10/2005 12:28:49 AM PDT by cowdog77
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To: dead
only they have figured out that the Bush Administration is just going to hide all the bodies.

Well, of course! And the Nat'l Guardsmen who drive the dumpsters to mass graves in the dead of night won't say a word either.

100 posted on 09/10/2005 12:57:39 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (A socialist is just a communist who happens to be outgunned!)
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