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Andrew Sullivan: Is Bush a socialist? He's spending like one
The Sunday Times ^ | 9/25/05

Posted on 09/25/2005 10:56:29 AM PDT by Uncle Joe Cannon

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To: JeffAtlanta

I don't even see anything bad about entitlement programs, in the abstract. They are something to be debated, discussed, weighed and otherwise judged. Part of this process is figuring out how to pay for them. Is the XYZ program important enough to raise taxes?

Right now there seems to be little discussion, least of all about payment.


161 posted on 09/25/2005 2:37:33 PM PDT by durasell
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

You cannot expect anything less from this rag.
I was in the grocery store earlier today,and a tabloid headline caught my eye...something about (and I am paraphrasing) "the pressures of hurricane Kartina & Iraq are driving Bush back to drink."
Leave it to The Enquirer. I wanted to grab every issue of those tabloids & throw them in the trash on my way out. (But,then I weouldn't be any better than the leftists,now would I?)....I quelled my urge and grumbled to myself as I walked out of the store,satisfying myself with just putting a copy of another magazine over top of it.


162 posted on 09/25/2005 2:38:53 PM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Searching for the ultimate tagline....Please Wait.......)
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To: durasell
Can you provide a run down on some of the progress made on domestic issues?

I'm just a poor "working grunt" who is pleased with the transition of "Clintonianism" to "Bushism"(if you insist on making it a one person issue) which has shown to be a transition to enough is enough from we will just get along.

The maintaining of market value in dire times created by 9/11, the bull by the horns attitude to take the war from our own turf to a front overseas, the line drawn to maintain political and judicial sanity, and the well formed political agenda which struck at the heart of liberal "fanaticism" to finally after 50 years to put it on the decline.

The list isn't big, however it is a profound and effective one with strength to endure.

Ask any true liberal what their attitude is of George W. Bush is and the answer obtained will prove to show the progress achieved in itself.

He!!, when was the last time in your life that just the right of "conceal and carry" was at the front of media coverage?

A doom and gloom attitude will promote just that.

Doom and gloom.

163 posted on 09/25/2005 2:39:17 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: JOE43270
America doesn't have a king it has a President.

Well said, JOE and to further that ideal, the Legislature IS voted into office, not appointed....

164 posted on 09/25/2005 2:41:33 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: durasell
Part of this process is figuring out how to pay for them. Is the XYZ program important enough to raise taxes?

That is a very good point. If program XYX really is so vital to our nation, then we shouldn't have a problem raising taxes to pay for it. As you point out, these discussions never even take place.

This is very similar how many people have a problem seeing credit card spending as "real money". With a credit card, they spend money on all sorts of things they don't really need and certainly wouldn't buy if they had to use cash.

165 posted on 09/25/2005 2:42:36 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JOE43270

"real enemies ... the legislature. America doesn't have a king, it has a president."

Well put. "Enemies" isn't the word I'd use for Congress, but I would say they're cowardly and are the larger part of the problem. Bush has failed to lead on spending issues, that's for sure. But Congress is the main problem.


166 posted on 09/25/2005 2:44:08 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: durasell
I don't even see anything bad about entitlement programs, in the abstract.

You should. Here's why:


167 posted on 09/25/2005 2:44:08 PM PDT by sourcery (Givernment: The way the average voter spells "government.")
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To: EGPWS

I don't see much doom or gloom from where I'm sitting. Many, many people I know are doing a whole lot better than just a few years ago. The days of high six figure bonuses are back on Wall Street. Unemployment is low. Crime is down. Etc. etc.

But, I don't know how much of that is due to legislation.


168 posted on 09/25/2005 2:44:57 PM PDT by durasell
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To: EGPWS

HHHHHHOOOOOOORRRRRRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


169 posted on 09/25/2005 2:45:23 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: JOE43270

None of the people who you are arguing with is proposing that the legislature bears no responsibility for spending. But you seem intent on ignoring the constitutional responsibilities of the President in regard to this.


170 posted on 09/25/2005 2:46:14 PM PDT by Canard
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To: durasell
But, I don't know how much of that is due to legislation.

Then what is it due to?

171 posted on 09/25/2005 2:46:18 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Ask any true liberal what their attitude is of George W. Bush is and the answer obtained will prove to show the progress achieved in itself.

Logical fallacy. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend. A famous example would be Nazi Germany and the Soviets.

The goal shouldn't be to upset liberals or leftists but to enact solid fiscal responsible measures. The GOP has failed miserably on that.

172 posted on 09/25/2005 2:47:10 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: California Patriot

I agree.


173 posted on 09/25/2005 2:47:50 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: EGPWS

Do you believe that economic activity can only follow from government spending?


174 posted on 09/25/2005 2:48:20 PM PDT by Canard
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To: JOE43270
HHHHHHOOOOOOORRRRRRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Joe, your stuttering....

LoL!

175 posted on 09/25/2005 2:48:27 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS

It could be due to a lot of things. Homes have appreciated in value and people are pulling money out of equity to buy stuff. A huge influx of foreign money into the U.S. markets. Some geek sitting in his basement wrote a computer program that anticipates market changes more efficiently.

Then again, it could be due to the new tax laws, lower interest rates, and increased free trade.


Or, it could be a combination of all those factors.


176 posted on 09/25/2005 2:50:01 PM PDT by durasell
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To: JeffAtlanta
The goal shouldn't be to upset liberals or leftists but to enact solid fiscal responsible measures.

It hasn't been the goal but it did.

177 posted on 09/25/2005 2:50:15 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: JOE43270
Wake up guys and learn who your real enemies are, the LEGISTLATURE. America doesn't have a king it has a President.

It's not clear how Bush cannot be responsible for the spending bills since he has signed everyone of them without any reservation.

178 posted on 09/25/2005 2:50:30 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Canard

No, I'm not ignoring the Presidents responisibilties, i'm saying the ELECTED LEGISTLATURE is tha main problem.


179 posted on 09/25/2005 2:52:52 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: EGPWS

There is no stuttering in that. God Bless all our people in uniform and America that they defend!


180 posted on 09/25/2005 2:55:51 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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