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Andrew Sullivan: Is Bush a socialist? He's spending like one
The Sunday Times ^ | 9/25/05

Posted on 09/25/2005 10:56:29 AM PDT by Uncle Joe Cannon

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To: JeffAtlanta
The money that is borrowed has to be paid back, with interest.

And where does that money come from?

201 posted on 09/25/2005 3:18:16 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Canard
Having the ability to take on 535 guys by himself is one of the requirements of the office of President.

Perhaps, keeping our country strong and bound together takes precedence.

Gosh, the next thing to happen will be a government official threatening the POTUS with "punching" him.

Nah, that would never happen....

202 posted on 09/25/2005 3:26:42 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: elbucko

"Bush is spending like a socialist, and his successor will be a socialist. Our country is going downhill fast.

"As President Richard Nixon observed in 1971, “We are all Keynesians now...."

It's just been renamed, "Compassionate Conservatism".




Keynesianism manages surpluses and deficits in raction to inflation and deflation. Bush is not doing that.

Bush is a supply sider. This is "supply side" economics. It is a "conservative" ideology. It's not Keynes.

Supply side economics originally, looked at production and demand. The idea was to bonus the suppliers (producers) given certain economic indicators with market interventions.

The Republican party has redefined the "supply side" to be wealthier individuals. The way this "supply side" can be activated to "help" the economy is via income tax cuts, death tax cuts, etc., intervention with the pocket book rather than market.

I'm often amused many get upset when some call Bush's cuts "tax cuts for the rich." That's exactly what they are and what supply side economics call for. Some tax relief for the middle classes is just done for political cover. But the supply side purists have no shame, they believe in tax cuts for the rich and don't hide from it.

Personally, I hate anyone calls them "tax cuts." They are not coupled with spending cuts, they are actually tax deferments.


203 posted on 09/25/2005 3:29:21 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: EGPWS
And where does that money come from?

Me and my children.

204 posted on 09/25/2005 3:32:01 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: EGPWS
And where does that money come from?

Ultimately from taxes.

205 posted on 09/25/2005 3:37:43 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

Some from taxes and some from shifting the burden of funding some programs to states and local communities.


206 posted on 09/25/2005 3:43:04 PM PDT by durasell
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To: durasell
Some from taxes and some from shifting the burden of funding some programs to states and local communities.

Good point, but the burdens that are shifted to the states, "unfunded mandates", must be paid for by taxes from the residents of the states affected.

207 posted on 09/25/2005 3:46:03 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Wormwood
Me and my children.

One wouldn't think that money would be available with the way that it is conveyed as to how government, VIA the doings of Dubya', is making it unavailable.

Gosh, you have money?

Give me some!

One just can't make it in a choice filled "free Enterprise based" economy where one also has the freedom to vote to change government.

How did you find access to FR?

I know, you are at the library for government is the only option to allow you access the the Internet since you are so financially strapped. Right?

Life in the USA just stinks doesn't it?

Of course I am looking forward to your input as to how it can be made better.

Please reply and enlighten me.

208 posted on 09/25/2005 3:47:07 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: JeffAtlanta
Ultimately from taxes.

Where does it go from there?

209 posted on 09/25/2005 3:48:03 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: JeffAtlanta

...and the states will push as much as they can down to the local level. Property taxes may rise in some instances and in other cases programs will not be funded.

It's going to get very interesting in the next five or six years.


210 posted on 09/25/2005 3:48:36 PM PDT by durasell
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To: EGPWS
One just can't make it in a choice filled "free Enterprise based" economy where one also has the freedom to vote to change government.

So you had no problem when Clinton raised taxes right?

211 posted on 09/25/2005 3:49:53 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
So you had no problem when Clinton raised taxes right?

There you go with that "forest for the trees" thinking again.

No I didn't vote for Clinton and won't vote for her in '08. ; )

212 posted on 09/25/2005 3:52:43 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Where does it go from there?

The wealth confiscated through taxation is redistributed.

If you're trying to say that it stimulates the economy then I really have to wonder what you are doing on a conservative website.

Where does the money go when a person mugs you and takes your wallet? Does it not stimulate the economy too?

213 posted on 09/25/2005 3:52:57 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: CaptainKeyword

"it takes money to make money."

If that is the case, then why not turn over all of our money to the government?


214 posted on 09/25/2005 3:55:32 PM PDT by Stew Padasso ("That boy is nuttier than a squirrel turd.")
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To: Stew Padasso
If that is the case, then why not turn over all of our money to the government?

LOL - good point. I was not aware that the purpose of the federal government was to make money.

215 posted on 09/25/2005 3:57:22 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

My brother e-mailed me a story by this giant douche Sullivan this morning. He wanted my opinion. My opinion was, in Sullivans' world, America=bad, World=good.

We wound up having a nice heated political debate after that.


216 posted on 09/25/2005 3:58:17 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (I am conservative. That is NOT the same thing as Republican. Don't place party over principle.)
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To: Canard

Bush is trying to cut Medicare, Bush's budget had a lot of cuts it was the dems and rino's that stopped those cuts.

Do you think Kerry would have proposed Medicare Cuts.


Bush has no power without Congress and the republicans don't have a majority proof without the rino's. The problem isn't Bush it is the rino's.


Kathleen Blanco is your typical dem spending wise and John Kerry would have been just like her. Blanco wants more beuracracy and more bilions with her new agency. That is how dems think.


217 posted on 09/25/2005 4:10:52 PM PDT by johnmecainrino
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To: JeffAtlanta
The wealth confiscated through taxation is redistributed.

If you're trying to say that it stimulates the economy then I really have to wonder what you are doing on a conservative website.

Where does the money go when a person mugs you and takes your wallet? Does it not stimulate the economy too?

Alas, another anarchist with a single point mind set.

Redistribution of taxation is not a relevant statement when it comes to economic stimulation.

Taxation via how the money is used is.

If we were to keep our money and not pay taxes then we as a country would have been lost long ago.

Paying taxes is a part of the economy and the way tax monies are spent is a factor as to the health of our economy.

The way tax dollars are spent is what turns the crank of dissension when it comes to paying.

Would you prefer paying your tax dollars to the Fed's to take care of and control your health care completely or would you be more complacent in spending it on national defense and use it only when needed.

Let me guess you would disagree with both scenario's.

218 posted on 09/25/2005 4:14:06 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: JeffAtlanta
I really have to wonder what you are doing on a conservative website.

I have always wondered how "Conservatives" could support continuous deficit spending.

219 posted on 09/25/2005 4:16:02 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Keith
I should read before posting..."is there anyone that DOUBTS his conservatism" is waht I should have posted.

You were right the first time. Bush is no conservative. Sullivan is indeed a whining, drama-queen crybaby, but that doesn't change the fact that Bush is spending and regulating us into socialism.

Oh yea...he also has shown that he will nominate and STAND BY his conservative judical appointments.

If you're talking about Roberts, it has yet to be demostrated that he is a conservative or a liberal or anything in between. If you're talking about the appeals court nominees, Bush had nothing to do with standing behind them. They were confirmed via a back-room deal between Democrats and a group of spineless Republicans.

220 posted on 09/25/2005 4:41:35 PM PDT by NCSteve
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