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Posted on 10/02/2005 9:21:43 AM PDT by wagglebee
Alberta's Child brings up, sadly, a good point. It's the kind of point people don't like talking about, but it does make a difference. And it's a fact in political science: looks do matter, a lot. That's what attracted a lot of initial contributers to Bush, IMHO. They had confidence in a man with looks. And that's the context AC was using, if I remember the initial post correctly.
he would win - he would beat Nita Lowey or Andrew Cuomo, they would be the candidate, not Hillary. she would step aside and run for president. she can't risk losing.
"If they're smart they'll rally behind the Republican nominee [whoever it is], or stay home."
Sorry. Not all of them are smart. Some are getting drawn in by a couple lame speeches by Broom-Hillary. Imagine that. Like I said, it's an important issue, and I don't want some lame rat stripping votes off from the GOP with it.
"...not Hillary. she would step aside and run for president. she can't risk losing."
And we'd all be laughing our tails off if she chickened out.
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Cubby would be in over his head as president of the He-man Woman Haters Club.
It appears that our conservative President W has been AWOL on The Deficit and Immigration. I'd be more than proud to cast my vote for a former Prosecutor and a Bona Fide Leader. Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
"Cubby would be in over his head as president of the He-man Woman Haters Club."
You could be right. He wouldn't fit in there at all. Hannity is a ladys' man. =]
we would be, but we aren't voting for her anyway. the MSM would spin it into a plus for her "I cannot commit to serving NY for 6 years, therefore I feel it is my duty to step aside now". Hell, she might even endorse Rudy for senate to pick up some additional "mainstream" status for herself.
Conservatives: Don't bother, Rudy. We're not pro-aborts and we are pro-Second Amendment. You're not. See ya.
Death, resignation, or retirement will lead to another Supreme Court vacancy that the next President will need to deal with. The last thing we need is appointments by a social liberal President.
Anyway, how common is it for a pro-abortion candidate to thrive up in New York? I hope people in the rest of the country will understand if/when Rudy's position on abortion changes.
A person can genuinely change his mind on abortion. However, if Rudy changes his position in the near future, it would appear un-genuine, and merely political. He has made some strong statements in the past on this issue which would be difficult to retract.
"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal."Even if he tried to prove a genuine reversal of opinion on this issue, the pro-life core of the party would be too skeptical to support him. In addition, by changing his position, he would actually lose support among his natural followers, disappointed in flip-flopping on an issue. His reputation as a leader would be tarnished.Rudy Giuliani, Sept. 1, 1989
"the MSM would spin it into a plus for her "I cannot commit to serving NY for 6 years, therefore I feel it is my duty to step aside now". Hell, she might even endorse Rudy for senate to pick up some additional "mainstream" status for herself."
Ah, and by that logic, Rudi could say, "Now that she stepped down, I guess I can step down to. Unless she jumps back in, I endorse [most likely Pirro, based on his politics]."
Then it gets really strange, huh? =]
Two Rudy incidents should earn the respect and admiration of all Americans - Rudy threw Arafat out of an affair at Lincoln Center. The family of Leon Klinghoffer sent him a personal not e of thanks. The second was when Rudy returned a $10 million check to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal after the Prince tried to make the moral equivalence argument for 9-11. Rudy told him flat out that "there is no moral equivalent for this terrorist act." I would be proud to elect President Rudy Giuliani.
If it hadn't been for 9/11, Giuliani's legacy would be summed up as "the guy who announced his divorce at a press conference after getting caught screwing the talent at the office."
I love what Giuliani did for New York in specific and America in general after 9/11, but the man is not fit to be President.
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"In addition, by changing his position, he would actually lose support among his natural followers, disappointed in flip-flopping on an issue. His reputation as a leader would be tarnished."
Right. Back in the day when people had to fumble with paper newsclippings, a politician could get away with changing positions on issues. Nowadays, it's not so easy. I'm glad too. It should not be easy to weasle out of a pro-abortion speech.
Giuliani: I'm Considering 2008 Bid
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I'm considering not voting for him. (thumb down)
Rudy??? Unelectable??? In your dreams! Rudy would win hands-down at the national level. That's why the Dems are so afraid of him. He'd get massive support from independents, moderate Dems, Republicans on both coasts...and, yes, even conservative Republicans who are conservatives in the mold of John Roberts, i.e., not ideologues.
People everywhere love Rudy. You can see it in the crowds he draws. Rudy is a leader and people gravitate to that.
Some Republicans seem to excuse the social liberal views of Giuliani by believing he would be strong on homeland security. Searching the 'net a few months ago, I found this statement:
"Some of the hardest-working and most productive people in this city are undocumented aliens. If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people who we want in this city. You're somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being like a fugitive, which is really unfair."Undocumented aliens: we want to protect you? That sort of pandering is a backward step.Rudy Giuliani The New York Times, June 10, 1994, p.A1
His supporters had better do their research before joining the Giuliani bandwagon.
Giuliani would never survive the primaries. That is why he is unelectable at the national level.
What you said bears repeating.
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