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Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
Times (UK) ^ | October 05, 2005 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 10/04/2005 4:28:28 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true. The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bible; inerrancy; romancatholic; scripture
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To: AlaskaErik; Coleus; Salvation; NYer
I was one once, but even as a teenager I could recognize a church that was built on lies, deceit and falsehoods.

You were Welsh once, and gave it up? Well thank God you are still Catholic. I wouldn't hold it against them. The Church founded by St. Peter can't be so easily corrupted by a handful of wayward bishops.

21 posted on 10/04/2005 4:41:41 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: MeanWestTexan

my reply was to the author not you... 8^)


22 posted on 10/04/2005 4:45:43 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Was that approved by HQ?


23 posted on 10/04/2005 4:49:34 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: sinkspur
the Vatican is the Catholic Church when speaking FOR the Church... NOT a bunch of "self deleted" Bishops who prolly don't even believe in God.
24 posted on 10/04/2005 4:49:36 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: MeanWestTexan
"...they should not expect “total accuracy”...

I don't expect total accuracy from the Times. I don't even expect acceptable accuracy from the Times. If the Catholic Church is now saying that the sun doesn't orbit the Earth, then this should send the evangelicals into fits. The posts here will no doubt be funny and if experience is any indicator, they will turn anti-Catholic quickly.

25 posted on 10/04/2005 4:50:31 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: fizziwig

The Bible is inerrant. That is what the Church teaches. But it is not literally true. This is a constant teaching of the Church. The Bible does not have to be literal to be true.


26 posted on 10/04/2005 4:53:43 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: MeanWestTexan; All

I don't know why anybody would be surprised. It's not like 99% of "Bible-believing" Christians today actually believe the Bible is 100% accurate. If they did, there would be a whole lot of "smitings" that aren't taking place now. Ever read the covenant law from Exodus 21-23?


27 posted on 10/04/2005 4:56:48 PM PDT by georgiadevildog (Get to work. You aren't being paid to believe in the power of your dreams.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

This does NOT appear to be issued by the Vatican.


28 posted on 10/04/2005 4:57:57 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: georgiadevildog
Ever read the covenant law from Exodus 21-23?

But you do understand the Jesus took the need to abide by those laws away when he came as the final sacrifice for sins? Todays Christians view the Bible in its whole context. Anyone can take one verse out of context and justify anything but that is just nuts.

29 posted on 10/04/2005 5:01:57 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
"It wasn't until Vatican II in '62 that the nuns had us reading the Bible, and the RC version at that (Douay), not King James."

The King James????? Thank God it wasn't the King James!!!

In Catholic grade school in the mid 50's before Vatican II the nuns who taught me encouraged us kids to read the bible on our own and as a family. It was not their fault we did not do it. As I recall the nuns read the bible to us every day in religion class. We had books on bible history too. By the time I was 12 I knew a gillion bible stories.. Noah, Abraham, Jonah, Joseph's coat of many colors, woman at the well, woman taken in adulatory, water in to wine and on and on and on. True I did not read the bible but at the Catholic schools I went to, when I think back, actually it was all bible all the time. You did not have to read it yourself. It was taught to you in workbooks, story sessions and and at mass. Yet you really did not think of it as B-I-B-L-E study. It was not called Bible Study it was called Religion class.

We also had catechism books but more than half of Catechism is rooted in the bible. Then there was mass practically every day, and mass has three bible readings. I don't understand Catholics who say they were never taught the bible in Catholic schools. I was bombarded with it. Then again I always got A's in Religion. Maybe they got D's!!!! :O>

30 posted on 10/04/2005 5:02:03 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles
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To: TheGeezer

Right. When Jesus spoke in parables, were all those stories exactly true? Probably not. If they weren't, was Jesus then lying? No, he was using a literary technique to teach. Same thing happens in the OT. I don't have a problem with that.


31 posted on 10/04/2005 5:03:26 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: TXBubba
Anyone can take one verse out of context and justify anything but that is just nuts.

That's how the muzzies do it over at the ROP.

32 posted on 10/04/2005 5:04:41 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: TXBubba

We are taught that God's word is eternal and unchanging, and then we are taught that....wait, He changed it!

Whatever. Poll those who say the Bible is God's inerrant word, and you will find less than 1% who can name a single member of the group of religious leaders who canonized our modern Bible. We don't even know who decided which books would be in the Bible, but we take it on the word of our parents and pastors that the Bible is God's word.


33 posted on 10/04/2005 5:05:33 PM PDT by georgiadevildog (Get to work. You aren't being paid to believe in the power of your dreams.)
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To: TXBubba

And further, I didn't take one verse. I took 3 chapters that form the basis of the covenant....a covenant that forms a large portion of the very foundation of Christian religious beliefs. Remember singing "Father Abraham" in children's church?


34 posted on 10/04/2005 5:08:04 PM PDT by georgiadevildog (Get to work. You aren't being paid to believe in the power of your dreams.)
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To: TheGeezer

That's gloobie gook neothodoxy!



"The Bible is inerrant. That is what the Church teaches. But it is not literally true. This is a constant teaching of the Church. The Bible does not have to be literal to be true."


You believe this nonsense? The Bible is literally true from cover to cover.


35 posted on 10/04/2005 5:08:27 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: Always Right
Just because the Bible is not literally true [in some places]

That's what the bishops were saying, if you read the article. The Times over-dramatized it.

They're saying certain parts should not be cited as scientific or historical authority. Yes, Virginia, there is such a thing as symbolism.

Of course the fundie anti-Catholic bigots will take the Times' bait ....

36 posted on 10/04/2005 5:08:56 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country" -- Mitt Romney)
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To: fizziwig

That is correct. I also told one of my Protestant friends that the Catholic Bible contains more books than the King James version. He cracked up when I told him that's where all the good stuff is!


37 posted on 10/04/2005 5:09:43 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: MeanWestTexan

The Catholic Church existed before the Bible. The Bible was intended to contains all the truth necessary for salvation. It was not intended to be a verbatim scientific history.


38 posted on 10/04/2005 5:11:29 PM PDT by ex-snook (Vote gridlock for the most conservative government)
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To: georgiadevildog
"If they did, there would be a whole lot of "smitings" that aren't taking place now. Ever read the covenant law from Exodus 21-23?" We not under the old covenant The law stands to show us we all sinners(Rom 3:23), but we are under grace in the new covenant.
39 posted on 10/04/2005 5:12:21 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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