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Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
Times (UK) ^ | October 05, 2005 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 10/04/2005 4:28:28 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true. The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

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KEYWORDS: bible; inerrancy; romancatholic; scripture
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To: k2blader

In the Gospel of Matthew, both of the thieves insult Jesus for not saving himself (and them). In the Gospel of Luke, one of them insults Jesus and the other one rebukes him for it.


61 posted on 10/04/2005 5:23:54 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

If true, this is really is disheartening. I hope all Catholics don't adopt this terrible doctrine. I read the entire article and it just gets worse and worse.


62 posted on 10/04/2005 5:24:59 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: sinkspur

that's not my point... the paper is trying to say the CHURCH says so and the Church is the Vatican, when it comes to speaking FOR the Church, not a few bishops. see what i mean???


63 posted on 10/04/2005 5:25:59 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: JohnnyZ

As long as we don't get into that "Bible code" stuff.. :o)


64 posted on 10/04/2005 5:28:05 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: ex-snook
The Catholic Church existed before the Bible.

What?

65 posted on 10/04/2005 5:28:17 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: sinkspur
The fact is, she is Adam's helpmate, and saying she came from his rib explains the extra rib that women have.

I seriously hope this was in jest. If not, you're in dire need of an anatomy class.

66 posted on 10/04/2005 5:28:36 PM PDT by georgiadevildog (Get to work. You aren't being paid to believe in the power of your dreams.)
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To: blowfish; sinkspur
There seem to be plenty of people here who still believe every word is literally true. It's a bit scary...

Which part don't you believe? I guess your god isn't able to do miracles, and wondrous works. Mine can.

He set the heavens above us, and the seas around us. He made the lands, and provided the forests. He made the animals, and fishes and birds. He made man, then woman.

He set a plan of salvation, because he created a sentient being, capable of taking directions, but not to be forced as an automaton. He made us in His image.

He provided a way for our salvation, because he has a plan for us. Believe it, or not... Rome wasn't built in a day... and God has given us some clues. Time can be stopped by my God. My God can cause a flood to cover the earth...

My God died on a cross, to save you from the penalties of your sins. Or... don't you believe He is able? If there really is a God, don't you think He can do things to confound the sensiblities of man. Laws derived from man's finite science and physics don't apply to the Law Maker. He made the whole ball of wax! ...or not...

67 posted on 10/04/2005 5:28:51 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Chode
that's not my point... the paper is trying to say the CHURCH says so and the Church is the Vatican, when it comes to speaking FOR the Church, not a few bishops. see what i mean???

No, I don't.

Actually, the Catholic Church is made up of all Catholics. The teaching authority is exercised from the Vatican.

And these bishops are reflecting teaching that has the full approval of the Vatican.

68 posted on 10/04/2005 5:29:58 PM PDT by sinkspur (Breed every trace of the American Staffordshire Terrier out of existence!)
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To: pageonetoo

My God's cooler than your god.


69 posted on 10/04/2005 5:30:10 PM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: blowfish
There seem to be plenty of people here who still believe every word is literally true. It's a bit scary...

The sad thing is that they just make themselves look foolish and they make Christianity look foolish as its representatives. The media plays on these stereotypes for all it's worth.

70 posted on 10/04/2005 5:30:18 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: sinkspur
#1 women and men have the same number of ribs.

#2 That's part of the Bible that is in error, the true story is:

After three weeks in the Garden of Eden, God came to visit Eve. "So, how is everything going?" inquired God.

"It is all so beautiful, God," she replied. "The sunrises and sunsets are breathtaking, the smells, the sights, everything is wonderful, but I have just one problem. It is these breasts you have given me. The middle one pushes the other two out and I am constantly knocking them with my arms, catching them on branches and snagging them on bushes. They are a real pain," reported Eve. And Eve went on to tell God that since many other parts of her body came in pairs, such as her limbs, eyes, ears, etc., she felt that having only two breasts might leave her body more "symmetrically balanced," as she put it.

"That is a fair point," replied God, "but it was my first shot at this, you know. I gave the animals six breasts, so I figured that you needed only half of those, but I see that you are right. I will fix it up right away."

God reached down, removed the middle breast and tossed it away into the bushes.

Three weeks passed and God once again visited Eve in the Garden of Eden.

"Well, Eve, how is my favorite creation?"

"Just fantastic," she replied, "but for one oversight on your part. You see, all the animals are paired off. The ewe has a ram and the cow has her bull. All the animals have a mate except me. I feel so alone."

God thought for a moment and said, "You know, Eve, you are right. How could I have overlooked this? You do need a mate and I will immediately create a man from a part of you. Now let's see...where did I put the useless boob?"

Now doesn't THAT make more sense than that crap about the rib?
72 posted on 10/04/2005 5:30:28 PM PDT by null and void (Bringing Faith to the Doubtful, and Doubt to the Faithful)
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To: pageonetoo
If there really is a God, don't you think He can do things to confound the sensiblities of man.

He can, but He usually doesn't. Instead, He acts through the natural processes He created.

It is much more important to focus on the truth of a particular passage in Scripture, and not argue over whether or not Lot actually turned into a pillar of salt.

73 posted on 10/04/2005 5:33:32 PM PDT by sinkspur (Breed every trace of the American Staffordshire Terrier out of existence!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"What?"

You quit reading too soon.

74 posted on 10/04/2005 5:33:34 PM PDT by ex-snook (Vote gridlock for the most conservative government)
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To: sinkspur

There was a considerable argument during the Middle Ages whether Adam was created with an extra, "supernumary" rib which God removed to create Eve, or whether Adam was one rib short after she was created. I have no opinion one way or the other, and as far as I know neither did the bishops of that time.

There was also a widespread argument as to whether or not Adam and Eve had belly buttons, since these are normally the result of having had an umbilical cord attached there. If you examine paintings in the middle ages and the Renaissance, you find Adam sometimes has a belly button and sometimes not.

All I'm saying is that it seems pretty officious of the bishops to sit down and say, "This is true" or "This is myth," when they really have absolutely no way of knowing.

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

-Job 38: 1-7


75 posted on 10/04/2005 5:35:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sinkspur

Lot's wife...


76 posted on 10/04/2005 5:35:18 PM PDT by null and void (Bringing Faith to the Doubtful, and Doubt to the Faithful)
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To: sinkspur

i don't know how else to explain it to you then...


78 posted on 10/04/2005 5:36:39 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: sinkspur

"For instance, Jonah literally in the belly of a fish for three days? Come on. Jonah's story is an allegory prefiguring Christ in the tomb for three days."

Jonah was a real person. His name means "dove". Jesus referred to "the sign of Jonah", a sign coming from the past of a once living person.

I believe God did "provide a fish" for Jonah, not sure why you find it hard to believe. It was a miracle.


79 posted on 10/04/2005 5:36:48 PM PDT by avenir (Don't insult my intelligentness!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Thanks, I just looked up the passages. You're right--there is a discrepancy. But one does not make the other untrue.


80 posted on 10/04/2005 5:38:21 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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