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Indian engineers good only at theory: Microsoft
Rediff news ^ | 10/5/05 | Sinha and Mishra

Posted on 10/06/2005 5:38:05 PM PDT by voletti

India does not produce enough computer engineers and those it does are good at theory but not very well equipped to handle the practical aspects, according to Microsoft Corporation's Chief Technical Officer Craig Mundie, who is on a visit to India.

"India produces a lot of engineers. But the production of computer science engineers is low, pro rata.

"Computer engineers are more into theory and less in managing businesses, building businesses or writing source codes, the key to software development," Mundie told Business Standard.

Microsoft has a large number of Indian software engineers on its rolls in India as well as abroad. Out of the 2,000 people working for Microsoft in India, a sizeable proportion comprises software engineers. India produced 401,791 engineers in 2003-04, of which 35 per cent were computer engineers. The number increased to 464,743 in 2004-05, of which 31 per cent were computer engineers.

According to Mundie, the problem with the engineers can be attributed to policy issues. Universities in India, he said, did not get proper funding for research and were not directed towards software development. "The lack of trained staff is addressed by firms through internal arrangements for proper training," he said.

Besides, he said, India did not have enough software companies nor were enough companies developing India-specific applications.

"There are so few Indian software companies developing local software. That is a negative reinforcement, because there is no local software and no new applications," he said.

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KEYWORDS: india; offshoring; outsourcing
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Let the India-baiting FReepers let some steam off, I guess.

Bill gates, apparently in one of his talks put it even better about the problems nagging Indian engineers. He said:"Given four options to choose from in a multiple choice question, Indian engineers will always hit the right answer only if the answer is among the 4 options given. but if the right answer is some fifth option...." thats where the American engineers score, I guess. (:-)

1 posted on 10/06/2005 5:38:08 PM PDT by voletti
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To: voletti

Well, I'm betting that Bill Gates will help them fix that problem.


2 posted on 10/06/2005 5:40:04 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: voletti

Ah, but their technical support is way cool. The only thing I like better than dealing with "Chuck" in Bangalore on the tenuous satellite phone connection in "Dell Hell" endless "tech support" is ...giving myself a colonoscopy with a rusty garden hose.


3 posted on 10/06/2005 5:42:29 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Willie Green; A. Pole; Jhoffa_; WorkingClassFilth

Outsourcing ping


4 posted on 10/06/2005 5:42:34 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: voletti
Our company outsourced to India, and learned this the very, very, very hard way.

After paying about 10x our original investment for US consultants to fix it, we now have a smooth running, but mediocre product.
5 posted on 10/06/2005 5:45:15 PM PDT by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Hey, did you hear the good news? Dell is moving their customer support out of India! Now for the bad news: they're moving it to the Phillipines.


6 posted on 10/06/2005 5:45:37 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: voletti

We are using them for operations and the maintenance of old applications. They are well-suited to that sort of thing.

I think all the brilliant guys have already come to the US, and are living in McMansions in Princeton Junction. You can hire them for $100 an hour.


7 posted on 10/06/2005 5:49:40 PM PDT by proxy_user
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Dell is moving their customer support out of India! Now for the bad news: they're moving it to the Phillipines.

The girls are cuter in the Phillipines. Makes for better tech support fantasies.

8 posted on 10/06/2005 5:49:51 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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Indian engineers will always hit the right answer only if the answer is among the 4 options given

...AND an Indian has taken the test several times, enough to know the right answers, so he can pass them on to his friends.

As Brian Valentine of Microsoft said a couple of years back, "Think India! Two for the price of one!"

Followed this year by Steve Ballmer whining he can't find US programmers for 40k / year.

WTF did they expect from a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY????

9 posted on 10/06/2005 5:50:40 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: voletti; Bush2000; Golden Eagle; softwarecreator

Bump for the homefront!


10 posted on 10/06/2005 5:51:33 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: voletti

This is another "Sun Came up this Morning"/"Dems Bash Bush" article.


11 posted on 10/06/2005 5:55:56 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (The UN wants our guns so they can rape our children and steal our money)
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To: Brilliant

IBM has almost as many employees in India as Microsoft does worldwide. Think about that for a second.


12 posted on 10/06/2005 5:56:34 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Brilliant

I'm betting that no matter how fast they make a computer and how much RAM they put in it, Microsoft will write code that will bring it to it's knees.


13 posted on 10/06/2005 5:56:45 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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The girls are cuter in the Phillipines. Makes for better tech support fantasies.

Until they hit about 35, that is.

14 posted on 10/06/2005 5:58:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

is ...giving myself a colonoscopy with a rusty garden hose.



That is...descriptive beyond words.


15 posted on 10/06/2005 5:59:25 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Snake-ranching! Yeah, that's the ticket!)
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To: Incorrigible
India does not produce enough computer engineers and those it does are good at theory but not very well equipped to handle the practical aspects, according to Microsoft Corporation's Chief Technical Officer Craig Mundie, who is on a visit to India. "India produces a lot of engineers. But the production of computer science engineers is low, pro rata."

Let's hope he's right. Sometimes something that looks cheaper actually costs more in the long run.

16 posted on 10/06/2005 6:00:55 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: FormerACLUmember

Michelle Malkin's family's Philipino.


17 posted on 10/06/2005 6:01:35 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Michelle Malkin's family's Philipino.


18 posted on 10/06/2005 6:01:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Golden Eagle

probably something 2 do with the fact that Indians do well at IT service jobs (like at IBM) than at product based jobs (think Microsoft)


19 posted on 10/06/2005 6:02:15 PM PDT by voletti (To go where no man has gone before....)
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To: voletti
The gratuitous "Foamy vs. Tech Support".

http://www.illwillpress.com


20 posted on 10/06/2005 6:02:40 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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