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In George We Trust?
The American Thinker ^ | October 10th, 2005 | Rick Moran

Posted on 10/10/2005 8:53:48 AM PDT by jcb8199

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1 posted on 10/10/2005 8:53:49 AM PDT by jcb8199
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"If they do so, and if they hand the election to the Democrats, there could be a real bloodletting among conservatives that could split Republicans for a generation and perhaps even give impetus to the creation of a third party. "

I want to thank W personally for this debacle. It never could have happened w/o him.

2 posted on 10/10/2005 8:59:38 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Pietro

Or without all the whiners who think they own the White House, and cry as bad as Liberals do....


3 posted on 10/10/2005 9:01:14 AM PDT by jcb8199
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At this point all the hand-wringing about her lack of stature, her lack of depth, her lack of high-octane education, her lack of Federalist Society membership, yadda, yadda, yadda, comes down to this:

How will she vote?

If she votes like I think she will vote, the Republican Party is saved.

Otherwise... doom...


4 posted on 10/10/2005 9:02:10 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: jcb8199
...seeing bombast and ‘gotcha’ verbal games as the essence of political combat. Victory for them is seeing the enemy bloodied and humiliated. They mistake the momentary thrill of triumph in combat, however evanescent, for lasting victory where it counts: a Supreme Court comprised of Justices who will assemble majorities for decisions reflecting the original intent of the Founders.

This is the fulcrum of the debate. While I too was initially dissapointed by the nomination of Miers, I am now convinced that history will show Miers was a solid, landscape altering pick.

5 posted on 10/10/2005 9:02:52 AM PDT by Obadiah (Support Harriet Miers!)
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To: jcb8199

Nice article.

Disappointed though I am in Miers' choice, I'm pragmatic enough to realize that letting the Dems win in '06 will disappoint me orders of magnitude more.

Dissent and churn is part of a healthy democratic process that'll likely keep the Repubs in touch with their base and relevant to the big questions of the day and avoid the fate of the current Dem party. I don't grudge the Bush protestors on the right their protest or their reasons.

Have a nice day.


6 posted on 10/10/2005 9:04:11 AM PDT by voletti (To go where no man has gone before....)
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I don't number myself among either the fall-on-your-sword true believers or the Bushbots. I neither hate Bush nor trust him beyond all contrary evidence.

I don't hate Harriet Miers, either.

What I do think, however, is that her nomination was a grievous mistake. She is not the best candidate. Her nomination has split the conservative ranks down the middle. The tensions and bad feelings on FR are only too clear. I'm not sure whether it may have slowed the process of quarterly fund raising, although certainly Jim Robinson has had nothing to do with this whole business either one way or the other. But it certainly has caste a lot of anger, gloom, bad will, and eagerness to hurl insults on the forum.

I think there's zero chance that her nomination will be withdrawn, and small chance it will be defeated. So we'd just better hope: a) that she proves to be a strong conservative voice on the court, preferably making that crystal clear before the 2006 senate elections (which hardly gives her much time); and b) that Rove and Bush have learned there lesson by this whole unpleasant experience and don't make the same mistake again.

It's very possible that Bush will have a chance to make one or two more SCOTUS appointments. We can't afford to weaken any further. Probably this stupid business of letting the RINOs, Harry Reid, and Arlen Specter dictate terms will already make it impossible for Bush to stiffen up next time and fight for a really strong candidate. But we sure need more reliable conservatives on the court, and this business doesn't help.

No, we can't back down now on Miers. But it was a horrible mistake that never should have been committed in the first place.


7 posted on 10/10/2005 9:13:43 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pietro

Quit your crying and go read, "I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers," by Pukin Dog.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1499585/posts?page=1,50


8 posted on 10/10/2005 9:19:29 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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Sorry I disagree with the whole thrust of this article.

The problem over the last 30 years has not been the "I'd rather than right than be President" hard rock conservatives but the constant pandering and giving in to the siren song of "pragmatism".

The "cool-headed" pragmatists favored Ford over Reagan in 1976 and Bush in 1980 - because he was "Electable." They supported Bush I in 1988 and continued to support him despite his governing as a Rockefeller Republican.

They supported boring, loser, Dole in 1988 because he was "responsible". And whenever, Bush II has gone liberal on us, they have supported him and trashed any conservative who disagrees. Whenever a Republican betrays us, they urge us to continue our support. Whenever the Republicans refuse to fight for conservative positions, they come up with detailed "sophisticated" explanations as why this isn't the time, or its really part of some "clever" longterm strategy.

They have been leading down the path to defeat for 30 years. They have constantly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Their defeatism, love of compromise, and pandering to big business and the liberal establishment have gotten us nowhere.

I say reject Miers. Play hardball and maybe GWB will get the message and nominate someone we know is really like Scalia.

9 posted on 10/10/2005 9:38:24 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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who appointed Owens, Brown and Estrada? Not Klinton and not Will. They are on the bench because GWB did not bakc down. They may not all be on the SC, but they are all judges. It may have taken 5 years for some of them, but he did not back down. When will a few conservatives remember that the President has stood up to the left a heck of a lot more than any preivous President. Reagan vetoed budgets sent up by Democrats. If the right had been as agressive about spending as they have been about Miers the budget would be 100 billion less for each of the last 3 years.

What conservatives should be complaining about is how poorly the FBI and FEMA perform compared to WalMart or Home Depot. The folks at Disney World can track people better than the FBI.

10 posted on 10/10/2005 9:41:43 AM PDT by q_an_a
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"If they do so, and if they hand the election to the Democrats, there could be a real bloodletting among conservatives that could split Republicans for a generation and perhaps even give impetus to the creation of a third party. "



I think creating a viable third party would be a good thing in the long run. 4 or 5 viable parties would be a lot better. People would then have a choice that reflected their views. Choosing between the lesser of 2 evils is not a good way to run a Republic.


11 posted on 10/10/2005 9:51:30 AM PDT by grayforkbeard (Precision weapons win battles. Bombing the whole country flat wins wars)
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Disappointed though I am in Miers' choice, I'm pragmatic enough to realize that letting the Dems win in '06 will disappoint me orders of magnitude more. Dissent and churn is part of a healthy democratic process that'll likely keep the Repubs in touch with their base and relevant to the big questions of the day and avoid the fate of the current Dem party. I don't grudge the Bush protestors on the right their protest or their reasons.

I'm far more cynical than that. I will hold my nose and support the nominee. But only because the alternative, left-wing control of our country, stinks to high-heaven.

But I have no illusion anymore that any member of the Republican establishment has any interest, intention, or desire to pay any attention to conservatives; except to our checkbooks, our precinct walking and our votes every two years. None.

The only hope for this country is for conservatives to take over the Republican party and to change the Republican establishment because it stinks.

12 posted on 10/10/2005 9:57:58 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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"Or without all the whiners who think they own the White House, and cry as bad as Liberals do...."

This article's more of a "wanker" than a "whiner".


13 posted on 10/10/2005 10:00:13 AM PDT by bkepley
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Who else could he have picked that would have been confirmed.

I don't think there is a chance in the world that any of those we wanted could have been confirmed.

There are too many chicken Republicans and they would have wimped out.

Pukin Dog's post makes as much sense as any I have seen. We need to support the president on this.


14 posted on 10/10/2005 10:02:02 AM PDT by arjay (May God give President Bush strength and comfort in this time of struggle!)
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"Trust George" is fine once or twice. But all the time? Especially with such a poor success rate? Please.


15 posted on 10/10/2005 10:03:54 AM PDT by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait)
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To: grayforkbeard
I think creating a viable third party would be a good thing in the long run. 4 or 5 viable parties would be a lot better. People would then have a choice that reflected their views. Choosing between the lesser of 2 evils is not a good way to run a Republic.

I tend to believe the landscape is full of people that are losing their patients with the only choice being the better of two evils.

I personally would applaud a new party, that actually reduces the size of this monster government, reduces this endless, needless spending and once and for all secures our borders and enforces our immigration laws. I personally believe government has grown so large, so encompassing, it's lost nearly all control and just grows and consumes.

16 posted on 10/10/2005 10:08:43 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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"Trust George" is fine once or twice. But all the time? Especially with such a poor success rate? Please.

He hasn't selected a bad judge yet.

17 posted on 10/10/2005 10:09:47 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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"if Harriet Miers falters or comes up short in any way, the coalition that has elected 3 out of the last 4 Presidents could finally collapse in flurry of recrimination and anger."

I have a different analysis: If the President wisely pulls the plug on this mistaken nomination, or Miers herself throws in the towel, Bush can redeem himself and cement the base by being as bold in nominating an originalist, strict-constructionist, no-foreign-precedent nominee as the Slickmeister was in nominating the far-leftist Ruth "Darth Vader" Ginsburg during his presidency.


18 posted on 10/10/2005 10:19:12 AM PDT by reelfoot
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I think creating a viable third party would be a good thing in the long run. 4 or 5 viable parties would be a lot better.

LOL! Just look at how well it is working in Germany...France, et al, et al. In fact, it was multiple party politics that got goofy Billy Clinton elected, not to mention getting the communist Salvadore Allende elected as the president of Chile with 31% of the vote.

Be careful what you wish for.

19 posted on 10/10/2005 10:24:35 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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So you're suggest having little or no choice is better?


20 posted on 10/10/2005 10:26:48 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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