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Rove Makes Fourth Grand Jury Appearance
Yahoo News & AP ^ | October 14, 2005 | Pete Yost

Posted on 10/14/2005 6:06:39 AM PDT by rabair

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To: shield

Re#39 Yep. If Rove and Libby were in trouble, they would have stepped down by now...


41 posted on 10/14/2005 7:32:43 AM PDT by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/4 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: hummingbird
OTOH, would Rove then be in trouble for taping a call?

If there is trouble it worth take it specially if it means it will prove his total innocence.

42 posted on 10/14/2005 7:56:55 AM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: rabair

funny, Rove appears again and everyone is just waiting for the indictment. Miller appears again and she's just there to clear up her previous testimony and present newly "found" notes.


43 posted on 10/14/2005 8:08:09 AM PDT by jw777
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To: eureka!
If Rove and Libby were in trouble, they would have stepped down by now...

Not really. I'm sure they didn't do anything wrong, and don't think that anything will happen. But the prosecutor could decide to get them for making honest mistakes in their testimony. I would think the prosecutor would have to have proof of intent to lie or obstruct before indicting anyone at this high a level, so it may be that the 4th appearance by Rove is to allow Rove to give a reasonable explanation for why his statements conflict. In that case, Fitz would just be making sure he has ample cover for not indicting Rove, because the MSM will go crazy if Rove or Libby is not indicted.

44 posted on 10/14/2005 8:17:06 AM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11
"...so it may be that the 4th appearance by Rove is to allow Rove to give a reasonable explanation for why his statements conflict"

Could be. Could be too that, having false statements from others (nee presstitutes), he wants Rove's affirmations. Who knows what other evidence Rove has besides his testimony. We know about the e-mail but did he keep contemporaneous notes or a journal? I would in speaking with the snakes in the MSM....

45 posted on 10/14/2005 8:23:39 AM PDT by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/4 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: eureka!

I'm sure any contemporaneous notes or journal info would have been presented in Rove's prior testimony. It's my understanding that Rove did not recall the Cooper conversation in his first GJ appearance, but that he and his lawyer found the email, gave the info to Fitz, and went back before the GJ long before Cooper ever testified. Anything Rove would have had to say on the topic should have been covered prior to Cooper testifying. So, it seems the most likely reason for today's appearance is to clarify things and make it clear to the GJ that he has never intentionally lied or witheld information.


46 posted on 10/14/2005 8:36:15 AM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11

Didn't Rush say Rove ASKED to testify again? Gee that makes a difference doesn't it?


47 posted on 10/14/2005 8:48:51 AM PDT by LYSandra
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To: LYSandra

Rove didn't ask to testify again. He offered to testify again if Fitz needed any more info or clarification. This happened in July after the Cooper testimony. Fitz took him up on the offer last week.


48 posted on 10/14/2005 8:56:08 AM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Phsstpok
The real crime is the investigation taking how many millions of our tax dollars and 2 years. He should be prosecuted for theft and dis-bared ineptness.

Actually, I agree with him. This is just silly. The whole question could have been answered in about a day. All you have to do is get the CIA to tell you if a) Plame was ever a covert agent as covered under the law and b) if so, when was the end date of her last assignment. The investigation should have ended right then and there.

49 posted on 10/14/2005 9:00:37 AM PDT by Terabitten (God grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who have gone before me.)
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To: hummingbird
OTOH, would Rove then be in trouble for taping a call?

No. Most places, you can tape your own conversations for your own recordkeeping purposes. It's just when you tape 3rd party calls that you get in trouble.

50 posted on 10/14/2005 9:04:04 AM PDT by Terabitten (God grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who have gone before me.)
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To: rocklobster11
During one discussion I heard on the tube, it was mentioned that Rove does not have the benefit of looking at the transcript of any of his three previous appearances before the grand jury. If that is the case I hope he kept scrupulous notes so that there are no contradictions in anything he testifies to. If there are, a zealous prosecutor could indict him for perjury.
51 posted on 10/14/2005 9:12:04 AM PDT by CedarDave (What do Sandy Burglar and Slick Willie have in common? Problems with what's in their pants.)
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To: Lizarde
Here's a picture of the Grand Jury:


53 posted on 10/14/2005 9:24:29 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("There are millions of mediocre Americans, and they, too, deserve to be represented in the USSC. -RH)
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To: Lizarde

I was wondering if he still was in there. It certainly sounds like more that just some minor clarifications. They must be going though transcripts of his previous testimony word by word and asking questions on any seeming contradictions. He went in at 9 a.m. and it's 12:30 EDT now. Three plus hours.


54 posted on 10/14/2005 9:28:44 AM PDT by CedarDave (What do Sandy Burglar and Slick Willie have in common? Problems with what's in their pants.)
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I know the prosecutor says he "can't rule out" prosecuting Rove, but isn't it unethical for a prosecutor to take this extensive of testimony from someone without giving them a target letter if in fact they really are the target??
55 posted on 10/14/2005 9:33:51 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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I'm no lawyer so don't know what's ethical and/or legal at this point. Given that the GJ is about to wrap up, an official letter right now would seem to be unnecessary; the prosecuter can do just about anything he wants if he feels there is new information pointing in the direction of Rove and Liddy.


56 posted on 10/14/2005 9:42:53 AM PDT by CedarDave (What do Sandy Burglar and Slick Willie have in common? Problems with what's in their pants.)
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To: rabair

Is it just me or does it seem like the Dems are trying to throw up all the arguments used against Clinton, even if they don't actually apply? For example: Clinton perjured himself... so they complain Bush lied about Iraq and should be impeached for it.
Clinton helped the Chinese with technology and hurt our national security... so they want to indict someone for hurting national security... enter Rove.

It just seems to me they are rehashing their crimes and trying to make them stick to Conservatives... even if the analogies or correlations are false.


57 posted on 10/14/2005 9:53:48 AM PDT by RollTideRoll
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To: RollTideRoll

and I bet they would sell their firstborn to get a good sex scandal from the WH.


58 posted on 10/14/2005 9:58:10 AM PDT by tazannie
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To: CedarDave
I just googled a DOJ pamphlet for prosecutor conduct w/ Grand Juries:

"Target MUST receive 'Target Letter' w/rights."

The grand jury manual also says it's DOJ policy that targets receive the letter with an advice of 5th Amendment rights before testifying. USAM 9-11.151

Of course, Rove wouldn't have to disclose the fact if he's gotten one, but his lawyer continues to deny that Rove has gotten a letter.

59 posted on 10/14/2005 9:58:12 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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