No problem if a few cars and trucks get burnt up. That makes it easier for us frogs to Bar Hop in Gay Parie!
Posted on 11/04/2005 5:36:05 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
Yes, that IS a BIG difference.
And if that sort of thing starts to happen with any frequency, the police will respond with deadly force.
I suspect it won't.
French society is imploding. It is being destroyed by the anarchy and lack of personal responsibility that socialism and years of the Nanny State have wrought.
It won't be long before hospitals, doctors, and pharmacies are the target.
The average French person cannot get health care, free or otherwise if they are afraid to go out of their house.
The average French person is not afraid to go out of his house. By day, even Clichy is operating.
People living in the "zone" are afraid to go out by night right now. But that was true before. Now it's just worse.
Obviously things need to be corrected.
Read this article about what is happening in broad daylight in central Paris in Saint Germain.
An excellent article about what is happening in France today. Long, but worth the read.
The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris
by Theodore Dalrymple
http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_4_the_barbarians.html
Denial is ridiculous in light of the gravity of the problem.
I thought this was confined to the "Happy Valley." Call Howie! 8-)
Home schooling sounds like a very good idea. For a child to have to sit in class in our public school and listen to how horrible America is....is about as bad as it gets.
"If they had jobs period none of this would be happening.
And THAT is the root of the problem, not Islam."
Yep. Like during the Great Depression, when people were scrounging for food, jobs, etc., THEY rioted too!
/heavy sarcasm
I know someone who I consider to be a liberal (but a more rational one) who travels the world for a living (and writes about it.) He has said that America, because of its relatively open discussions on race and competing views has produced the least racist society on Earth, generally.
It's the same here in the NY public schools..but I'm sincerely impressed with your son's courage; you must be proud. It takes guts to go against the grain and take a stand against the hate-America filth that is being forced down the throats of kids in the public school system. I can only hope that my daughter will be as courageous as your son when she comes up against the same leftist indoctrination attempt.
The rioters will soon answer, if they have not already, "Ça ira"
You misunderstand Vicomte's post. Remember that many West Africans and non-faithful Muslims have played large roles in the development of the Zone's underclass culture. Because the police will not even go there(not just for safety, but because of the way they report crime in France--no arrests, no crime) and the 'sensitivity' which the French feel they need to handle social pathologies, this terrible cancer has sprung up in France.
Also recall that the citizens from Algeria two generations ago were much better behaved and often embraced secularism as much as the French.
The problem in FRANCE and in EUrope is mixing a hands-off, non-judgmental but NON-Assimilationist approach with welfare socialist state policies which essentially keep huge classes of the least employable people UNemployed and creates an "anti-society" in the midst of Western 'civilization."
We have similar pockets here in the US, but we are less segregated and separated and we are far more assimilationist. But the more we adopt socialism, the more chance we have of these kinds of things happening here.
Islam is the wild card and eventually it will provide "meaning" to these 'youths' and they will dominate a cowering Europe. But Islam isn't the 'root cause.'
Skywalk, you and I will have to agree to disagree...
I know how serious this is--I have a sister who teaches at a private ivy league liberal arts college and she tells me this kind of stuff is de riguer for faculty meetings. She herself is a dyed in the wool liberal, but even she has problems with the blatant bias and indoctrination.
One particularly egregious example stands out--after 9/11, a special meeting was called for all tenured and non-tenured professors to discuss how to deal with America's culpability without seeming unsympathetic to the victims (several students lost relatives in the WTC--this is a college located north of Manhattan).
A woman's studies teacher announced her intention to share with her students her "outrage" at what she called "the male dominated first responder images" and planned to use those to foment resentment toward the media.
Incredible, isn't it? Instead of seeing sacrifice, courage, and incredible heroism, this foul creature saw only that there more men than women in the NYFD and NYPD. And found something wrong with that!
Well, then you'd be agreeing to be wrong. I don't say that as an insult to you and I recall some of your posts on this forum, I don't seek to disrespect you.
Even without Islam, the underclass mentality there would have have thrived because they stuck people in 'ghettoes' attempted to enforce French culture but then never made the attempt to liberalize their economy(meaning, make it more capitalist) and allow new flows of immigrants to have a hope for a future.
You see much of the same thing in the US, it's just more dissipated generally. But tell me Dalrymple's article didn't sound like he went to Compton in 1991?
Understand, Islam IS a huge threat to the world and to Europe, but what I'm describing could easily occur in any country with a distinct and large minority that isn't allowed to integrate, if not because of economics then because of social policy.
Islam is an issue, it's just not the primary cause of the 'cites' underclass in France. Islam DOES need the cites, though, to fuel its attempt to conquer Europe through demographics and a hostile anti-culture.
"The problem in FRANCE and in EUrope is mixing a hands-off, non-judgmental but NON-Assimilationist approach with welfare socialist state policies which essentially keep huge classes of the least employable people UNemployed and creates an "anti-society" in the midst of Western 'civilization."
What you have described above is liberal PCism has become a way of life and the center of France and much Europe. We are very close here.
Did you read the Dalrymple article? "Barbarians at the Gates of Paris"? What do you think of it?
It's pretty amazing stuff like this hasn't happened already. But then, considering everything I've read, stuff like this has been happening, this is just ramped up.
IOW, socialist policies have created an underclass of people who are pretty much feral and have very little means of earning a livelihood, taking care of themselves, are stuffed all with their own kind, with no police protection. I have read that earlier, such immigrants were scattered about mixed in with the regular French population but preferred to live in enclaves. Is this truth or fact?
Also, that the residents did not want police to come in and do what police do.
Also, this stew is a potential fertile ground for Islamism.
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