Kennewick Man, Meet Your Distant Cousins

Seattle Times ^ | 11-7-2005 | Kate Riley

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

Speaking of history, does anyone remember this happening? I don't recall any large reptiles there;

PBS 11
WITV American Experience : Victory in the Pacific The battle of Okinawa includes the largest amphibian invasion in the Pacific campaign. TVPG CC Stereo

( from my local zap2it TV listing

[blam]

"But how about those folks sailing the ice on TV last night? (There was almost 10 minutes of science in that two-hour show!) "

I was watchingThe Crusades as I am again tonight.

[Sam Cree]

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[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Soon, he and a colleague will publish a book about their theory that Clovis point technology is derived from that of the Solutrean culture in what is now Spain... Euro-centric prejudice? No. Stanford does not believe Clovis people were first in the Americas... Stanford believes the evidence to resolve both questions is underwater. The prehistoric Atlantic coastline was possibly hundreds of miles farther east.

Now we're gettin' somewhere! :')

[blam]

"Now we're gettin' somewhere! :')"

Some progress, yes.

[SunkenCiv]

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Ancient Encounters: Kennewick Man and the First Americans by James C. Chatters	Skull Wars: Kennewick Man, Archeology, and the Battle for Native American Identity by David Hurst Thomas	Bones: Discovering the First Americans by Elaine Dewar	No Bone Unturned: Inside the World of a Top Forensic Scientist and His Work on America's Most Notorious Crimes and Disasters by Jeff Benedict hardcover	The Riddle of the Bones: Politics, Science, Race, and the Story of Kennewick Man by Roger Downey

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[Heatseeker]

Thanks for the article. I live in the Nanticoke heartland (Delmarva Peninsula) and supposedly have some Nanticoke blood if you go back 6-8 generations or so.

[Heatseeker]

Grasping at straws is what now is viewed as real science. After all look at global warming and a host of other absolute scientific fact.

Seriously, yes the show was interesting, but I found it more interesting that heresy is not being preached by the media, in that the pure, environmentally sensitive native Americans might have really been partly vile, waste-mongering, Europeans!

I agree. The genetic evidence for the now-famous haplotype X as an indicator of an archaic human population is, IMO, very spotty, and much more sampling is needed before conclusions can be drawn. Sunday night's program was extremely vague about the genetic evidence. Since I've never encountered a peer-reviewed paper with genetic evidence for direct populating of North America from Europe in the Neolithic, I don't know what it might be; and given the current state of technology I'm not sure it's possible.

As for the Euros-got-here-first thesis, it is strange for the PC crowd to come anywhere near this, especially as genetic history theories get waved around by all sorts of racist nutcases. But then November is a sweeps month so maybe this is their idea of attracting the hoi polloi.

But I did like the show. In particular I had no idea neolithic women were so good looking, and so thoughtful of us viewers that she'd leave her head uncovered half the time on an ice pack in the middle of an ice age, for us to appreciate her stylish tresses. ;)

[Paul C. Jesup]

Are you aware that John McCain has introduced a bill that would just give all human remains to the Indians without question?

Yes and also, he believes that the RIAA/MPAA should have the right to hack/destroy any privatingly owned computer without question.

John McCain is a true lunatic.

[Fraxinus]

I think that's a typo. It should in all likely hood read amphibious.

Besides, amphibians are not reptiles

[3AngelaD]

RE: Stone Age Columbus, I was thinking, this is all very well and good, but in fact Columbus changed the world and changed history. The Stone Agers were brave and adventuresome, like Eric the Red, but after their adventures, the world was ths same. They did not change the world, and they did not change history. The next historic event of equal magnitude was the American revolution.

[ValerieUSA]

Yes, he is.
Has he ever explained himself?

[Question_Assumptions]

The Discover Channel show, while speculative, was certainly intersting and contained some useful information. But it still took a nod toward political correctness by suggesting a first meeting between Asian and European immigrants to America was peaceful. The relative absence of European derived Native Americans in the gene pool suggests replacement rather than assimilation or peaceful-coexistance.

Personally, I suspect that there were several pre-Siberian migrations to the Americas including migrations from people related to modern Europeans, modern Southeast Asians (possibly Ainu), and perhaps even modern Australian Aborigones. Perhaps their populations remained small or maybe they didn't, but either way, it looks like the Siberian migration replaced them just as surely as Europeans replaced the descendants of those migrants millennia later. Whether through warfare of disease or whatever, the politically uncomfortable conclusion may be that just as the American Indians were wiped out by Europeans (with some mixing), their ancestors had wiped out a previous population of Europeans and/or other Asians. And that makes a racial sin or "we were here first" argument a lot harder to make.

[CobaltBlue]

My own mtDNA is closest related to North American Native Americans, Aleuts, and Siberians. No surprise, great grandma was Chippewa. But definitely evidence in favor that some ancestors came across the Bering Strait.

[nopardons]

bttt

[FastCoyote]

This stuff just fascinates me no end, especially the possibility of ancient coastal seafaring that was pretty sophisticated.

[xcamel]

Any time I get the chance to "throw conventional wisdom under the bus" I'm in for the whole load.

[SunkenCiv]

[SunkenCiv]

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