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PBS program looks at Mississippi's last abortion clinic
sun-sentinel.com ^ | November 8 2005 | By Connie Lauerman

Posted on 11/09/2005 8:23:46 AM PST by WKB

In the past two years, Mississippi has passed legislation on fetal homicide prosecution, new clinic regulations and requirements to report abortion complications. Only one clinic in the state now performs the controversial procedure.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: abortionclinic; abortionlist; abortionmill; abortuary; mississippi; pbs; prolife

1 posted on 11/09/2005 8:23:46 AM PST by WKB
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To: titleist975; LibLieSlayer; Soulfull; wxdawg; A Mississippian; Cedar; WoodstockCat; Altair333; ...

Mississippi ping


2 posted on 11/09/2005 8:24:23 AM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: WKB
there are many places across the country like Mississippi that are very rural and a lot of women do not have access to abortion

They probably don't have access to a Wal-Mart either.

3 posted on 11/09/2005 8:27:10 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: WKB

Our state does the right thing, and PBS will chide us for it.
Oh the irony.


4 posted on 11/09/2005 8:27:33 AM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: onyx

Onyx, is this the only place in Mississippi where someone can get an abortion, or is it the only place where someone can get it done on the taxpayers' dime?


5 posted on 11/09/2005 8:30:41 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: WKB

If a non-biased news organization covered this, I would watch it. Since it's PBS why bother, you know what they're going to say.


6 posted on 11/09/2005 8:30:56 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: WKB
Q. How do low-income women, who some might believe would want access to abortion, view restrictions?

A. Abortion was not on their radar. A multitude of issues face people who are living in extreme poverty that have nothing to do with abortion access.

On the other hand, there are many places across the country like Mississippi that are very rural and a lot of women do not have access to abortion and the women are very conflicted about it. They are not adamant [on either side of the issue].

They just accept the fact that abortion is not an option. One woman says abortion is $300 or $400 so there was no way she was going to be able to have that option, even if she could travel to the clinic, which is hours away and she would have to go [to the clinic] twice.

You mean people can actually accept that abortion is NOT AN OPTION?!?!? This is not what the DIMS have been telling us. You mean back alley hanger-abortions are not a result of this "mean-spirited" view? -sarc

7 posted on 11/09/2005 8:31:42 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: Still Thinking

"If a non-biased news organization covered this, I would watch it. Since it's PBS why bother, you know what they're going to say."


PBS=Probably Biased Sh!t


8 posted on 11/09/2005 8:33:22 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: WKB

This is the network that had a piece about how FDR had changed the popular definition of the words liberty and freedom from the government keeping it's shit covered nose out of one's business to mean a sense of entitlement have government take away the product of others labors and give it to you. PBS reported this like it was something to admire about FDR. Communist scum.


9 posted on 11/09/2005 8:33:27 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: DumpsterDiver

I don't know. I've only lived here since July.
I just might watch the damn PBS program... if I can endure it.


10 posted on 11/09/2005 8:33:43 AM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: WKUHilltopper
PBS=Probably Biased Sh!t

Got that right.

11 posted on 11/09/2005 8:37:04 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

I lived in Starkville for 7 years. Starkville is more than an hour from the nearest interstate. But we had a Wal-Mart.


12 posted on 11/09/2005 8:40:21 AM PST by megatherium (Hecho in China)
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To: onyx
I don't know. I've only lived here since July.

OK, I was just wondering.

I just might watch the damn PBS program... if I can endure it.

I'll probably take a pass.

13 posted on 11/09/2005 8:45:38 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: onyx

I watched it last night. I didn't want to, but I decided to suck it up and see what they had to say.

I was actually impressed. It wasn't what I expected. It talked a lot about Roe and then the Casey (sp?) case and how it affected the abortion rights movement. The pro-life representatives were fairly represented, in my opinion. They didn't feature the kooks that bomb abortion clinics and other such ilk. They talked more about the legislation and other programs that the pro-life side are utilizing.

Of course, the show featured some anti-life people (thats my new name for them. During the show, they continually called pro-life people "anti-choice", so in turn I will call them anti-life). One abortion provider actually boasted a little about how busy they are. I thought that was a little sick.

Not to give away the "surprise" ending, but one of the abortion providers actually admits that they are losing the battle. That made me smile :-)


14 posted on 11/09/2005 9:06:51 AM PST by kemathen7
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To: onyx

Being chided by PBS is like a Moral Medal of Honor. Wear it Proudly!


15 posted on 11/09/2005 9:09:24 AM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: onyx

I can't stomach it......so give us a report. Have a big glass of wine before watching :)


16 posted on 11/09/2005 9:10:45 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: frogjerk

I've argued this with my liberal friends for years. It is not the *poor* who are getting abortions. They cost too much. It is rich white girls getting abortions.


17 posted on 11/09/2005 9:24:22 AM PST by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: kemathen7; WKB; All


Thank you! I thought it was on via Direct TV last night, but I wasn't certain...lol. I think I saw a promo for it and then changed the channel.

GOOD to know it wasn't a hit piece.


18 posted on 11/09/2005 9:31:24 AM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: WKB; Coleus

Ping!


19 posted on 11/09/2005 9:32:24 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: WKB

Prayer shuts these killing places down. Continue to pray and pray and pray and pray.


20 posted on 11/09/2005 9:34:21 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: WKB
Lawrence (KS) abortion clinic closes because of funding woes

Eugene abortion clinic closes; surprising many (Hooray !!!)

Prayer credited for closing of abortion clinic [Eugene, OR]

Planned Parenthood will shut down 3 clinics [Indiana]

Persevering Students Help Close Abortion Clinic [Santa Paula, CA--Thomas Aquinas College]

Abortion Clinic Managers Quit After Being Outed by Operation Rescue [Wichita, Kansas]

One Man's God Squad: Troy Newman's plan to stop abortions in Wichita, Kansas

Baby Saved From Abortion is Baptized [New Orleans]

Thank You Bishop Rhoades: A Personal Account of An Abortion Protest With A Catholic Bishop -- still praying -- Harrisburg, PA

Judges rule civil suits against Planned Parenthood can proceed [Los Angeles, CA]

STOPP Planned Parenthood

CA: Abortion opponents hope to limit access for California girls (Prop 73)

Jill Stanek's Accurate Summary of Cincinnati Abortion Center Closing: 'Debi Does Ohio"

Clinic is caught in the fog of abortion war (Abortion Clinic Closes) [Springfield, Missouri]

PBS program looks at Mississippi's last abortion clinic

21 posted on 11/09/2005 9:35:39 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: onyx

I should add a comment to that ...

I was expecting a hit piece on the pro-life movement, and I didn't get that. I still think it was a little weighted toward the anti-life side, but it wasn't the "PRO-LIFERS ARE CRAZY CHRISTIAN KOOKS" show I expected. I can honestly say I learned something new.

And hearing that lady say "we're losing" was SO worth watching.


22 posted on 11/09/2005 9:39:38 AM PST by kemathen7
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To: WKB
A. Abortion was not on their radar. A multitude of issues face people who are living in extreme poverty that have nothing to do with abortion access.

Marie Antoinette's line about eating cake comes to mind here. "Poor women are concerned that they don't have access to adequate healthcare in doctors offices and hospitals!" "Well let them go to abortion clinics, then."

23 posted on 11/09/2005 9:42:50 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: kemathen7

They're admitting they're losing --- I am smiling too.
Thanks for your excellent commentary.

MUCH APPRECIATED.


24 posted on 11/09/2005 9:47:11 AM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: Question_Assumptions

There are medical conditions(apart from being pregnant)that can make an abortion necessary and no law should stop a doctor from performing one. But there should be a law that makes it a crime to end a pregnancy without any medical condition apart from pregnancy.


25 posted on 11/09/2005 10:00:01 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Phlap
Oh, I agree. I definitely support a "life of the mother" (in the sense of a real, rather than statistical threat) exception to any anti-abortion law and think that determining exactly which health conditions (again, real, rather than statistical concern) might also warrant giving that choice up to the electorate via legislation.
26 posted on 11/09/2005 10:02:35 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Still Thinking

'If a non-biased news organization covered this,...'
Does such a thing exist?


27 posted on 11/09/2005 10:07:13 AM PST by OriginalChristian (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: DumpsterDiver
Onyx, is this the only place in Mississippi where someone can get an abortion, or is it the only place where someone can get it done on the taxpayers' dime?

Nevermind the fact that this left-winged caca paraded across the screen in the name of "objectivity" is taxpayer funded as well.

28 posted on 11/09/2005 10:11:08 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: RacerF150
Which one of those is the contraceptive and which
is abstinence?
30 posted on 11/09/2005 10:24:50 AM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: WKB

What? That's remarkable. A PBS program not about homosexuals. Amazing.


31 posted on 11/09/2005 10:25:59 AM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, the one and only.)
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To: WKB
On the other hand, there are many places across the country like Mississippi that are very rural and a lot of women do not have access to abortion and the women are very conflicted about it.

The more crucial situation is that women in rural areas of MS don't have access to decent pre-natal care because all the Ob-Gyn's have been run off on account of exorbitant malpractice insurance premiums. When the poor folks in MS stop getting talked into suing folks by fast talking lawyers, they might have better health care all around.

32 posted on 11/09/2005 11:10:29 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: WKB

Violins played full tilt for these hapless women forced to have children. They're too poor to do anything else. Birth control? Evidently not an option. Talk about a biased program.


33 posted on 11/09/2005 11:13:13 AM PST by hershey
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To: Phlap
There are medical conditions(apart from being pregnant)that can make an abortion necessary and no law should stop a doctor from performing one. But there should be a law that makes it a crime to end a pregnancy without any medical condition apart from pregnancy.

Agreed, sort of.

Having taken a concealed carry class, which involves much discussion on the legal limits regarding taking someone's life, we were given four conditions which must be met:

1) Be a reluctant participant - do not proactively escalate the situation.

2) I must be reasonably in immediate fear of death or great bodily harm.

3) No lesser force will do.

4) Retreat is not practical. I think the same principles should apply to abortion, as in:

1) Be a reluctant participant - do not proactively escalate the situation by having consentual sex without birth control.

2) I must be reasonably in immediate fear of death or great bodily harm to the mother.

3) No lesser force (surgery, drugs, etc.) will do.

4) Retreat (keeping the baby, adoption) is not practical.

34 posted on 11/09/2005 11:15:39 AM PST by Monitor (Gun control isn't about guns; it's about control.)
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To: WKB
Which one of those is the contraceptive and which is abstinence?

Actually.....

Contraceptive

Abstinence


36 posted on 11/09/2005 11:24:36 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: WKB

This part of the interview really surprised me.


"Q. Did anything surprise you as you worked on this documentary?

A. What was surprising to me is how "unextreme" the [anti-choice activists] were. They really seemed very open to discussion. But when it comes right down to it, they have very strong points of view. They have their eyes on the ball, they know exactly what they want and they're going after it.

There still are true extremists out there, but many conservative Christians figured out a way inside the system to push for these types of laws and they've been successful. They don't feel outside of the mainstream anymore.

Q. Does Roe vs. Wade still matter?

A. What we found is that certain states have been so active [about restricting abortion locally] that they certainly have diminished the importance of Roe v. Wade."


I'm glad Mississippi is down to just one abortion clinic.
That makes me very proud.
Now, if only that one can be gotten rid of...


37 posted on 11/09/2005 3:07:08 PM PST by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: WKB; RacerF150

I guess there is one in every bunch.


38 posted on 11/09/2005 3:08:44 PM PST by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: RacerF150; WKB

LOL!

That is MUCH better.
Though, the bottom one works 100% of the time. ;o)


39 posted on 11/09/2005 3:10:14 PM PST by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: mosquitobite

"I've argued this with my liberal friends for years. It is not the *poor* who are getting abortions. They cost too much. It is rich white girls getting abortions."

I've been a sidewalk counselor for the past 7 years (we hand out pro-life literature outside abortion clinics and talk to people -- if they want to talk).

At two different clinics I've counseled near -- since you mentioned race -- I would say the girls going in for abortions are 65% black and 35% white.

And few of the girls appear to be wealthy. They are usually middle or lower income, both races.

Sometimes the boyfriend comes along and is probably paying for the abortion (or at least paying part of it).

Other times a family member comes with the girl, and they too are probably helping to pay for the abortion.

Oh, and as a side note, in all these years I've never seen a smiling face on a girl after she's had an abortion. Every one has a deeply sad expression when leaving the clinic.


40 posted on 11/09/2005 4:58:04 PM PST by Cedar
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To: WKB
After Roe v. Wade, things changed for a couple of decades and now it has sort of gone back to [a situation where] poor women cannot access abortion, while middle-class and upper-middle class women can, many pro-choicers would argue.

The crypto-eugenicists must be especially displeased.

Is Roe v. Wade as safe as a babe in her mother's womb?

41 posted on 11/09/2005 5:57:39 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (Hoc ad delectationem stultorum scriptus est)
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To: Cedar

It is a sad occasion. One thing that has bothered me, for a long while, is the denigation of adoption by the pro-choice crowd. It is kill your kid or keep him.


42 posted on 11/09/2005 6:04:14 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: WKB

Here's hoping they do 49 more such specials. One per state.


43 posted on 11/09/2005 8:48:17 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: onyx

gee, I was going to say this sounds like a Frontline hit piece, which is par for the course with that awful program. What do you know, it is Frontline.

Second guess would have been Independent Lens.


44 posted on 11/09/2005 8:53:41 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


45 posted on 11/09/2005 10:22:47 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus; WKB; Salvation; cpforlife.org; Dan Lacey; Mr. Silverback
And it is such a pretty building. [sarcasm]

I suggest they rename this documentary:

"Little Ghosts of Mississippi"

With the right Bluesy/Gospel Soundtrack. Robert Johnson's "Me and the Devil"
and the Elmore James version of "The Sky is Cryin' " ought to be about right.

46 posted on 11/09/2005 10:58:11 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Question_Assumptions
Poor Marie has gotten a bad rap from that 'cake' line. Cake was a name for the bread layer in an oven you used to bake fresher bread on top of. Guess you could actually eat the 'cake' if you had to. Your original point though is well taken. Abortion may be cheaper (financially) than raising a child, but it's still a money making enterprise for the providers.

PBS deserves all the heck it can get. Europe spends four times what the U.S. does on free T.V. and from what I understand peace, love and understanding isn't running rampant tonight in the streets of Paris.
And don't forget this recent fiasco, still hot on the griddle- Purveyors of Deciet:Why CBS must yank Breaking The Silence
47 posted on 11/09/2005 11:35:45 PM PST by Dan Lacey
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To: DumpsterDiver

Having worked in the medical industry for more than two decades, I can assure you that a woman with a private physician can get her unborn alive child killed in nearly any hospital if the physician will list the 'procedure' as a necessary surgery to save the woman's life.


48 posted on 11/10/2005 6:49:38 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: dixiechick2000

My original point (post #29...deleted by the mod for unknown reasons) was that abortion clinics are no safer than a coat hanger and rubbing alcohol.


49 posted on 11/10/2005 7:03:41 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: WKB

That's still one too many,


50 posted on 11/16/2005 6:31:14 AM PST by A. Patriot
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