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Austria arrests Irving over Holocaust
Reuters ^ | Nov 17, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 11/17/2005 5:17:01 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

VIENNA (Reuters) - Historian David Irving, known for his controversial views on World War Two, has been arrested in Austria on suspicion of denying the Holocaust, an interior ministry spokesman said on Thursday.

Irving was arrested on November 11 near the town of Hartberg in the southern province of Styria under a warrant issued in 1989, interior ministry spokesman Rudolf Gollia said.

"He is on remand in Vienna," Gollia said.

Asked what Irving had been arrested for, Gollia said: "It is to do with ... Holocaust denial."

The spokesman declined to comment on whether or when he would be charged.

A High Court ruling in 2000 rejecting Irving's libel action against an American professor and her publishers declared Irving "an active Holocaust denier ... anti-Semitic and racist".

Denying the holocaust is a crime in Austria which carries a sentence of 1-10 years.

Irving's Web site ( said he had been invited by students to address a university association in Vienna. In a message dated November 11, it said he was on a one-day visit to the Austrian capital.

TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: davidirving; freespeech; hitler; holocaust; irving; nazi; pc
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I don't think there is much we have to disagree about.
51 posted on 11/18/2005 10:34:21 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Alter Kaker
No Holocaust denier here, I am just of the mind that the more the loonies speak, the more they are ridiculed, like Fharrakan ans his interplanetary trips on the "Astroplane"
52 posted on 11/18/2005 10:48:59 AM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: HostileTerritory
Europeans are worried about insulting the multicultural left, and our health care is far superior to theirs. What is disturbing is that a group of people on high can have their opinions mandated, in a supposedly democratic society.
53 posted on 11/18/2005 10:54:22 AM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: R.W.Ratikal
>>>Am I to understand that it's against the law in Austria to deny that the Holocaust happened? That's worse than the Holocaust.

You are kidding right? Forbidding highly inflammatory speech on a topic is (in my view) a bad thing, but it hardly compares to brutally murdering 6 million people, and savagely treating countless more.

54 posted on 11/18/2005 11:03:21 AM PST by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: Alter Kaker

Not amazed at all. Since THIS is an AMERICAN political board I assumed Americans were to whom I was talking to.

I am well aware of the lack of an First Amendment in Austria.

As well as of many other Freedoms which Americans proudly practice on a regular basis.

That's the difference between Europeans and Americans.

We are not sheep.

55 posted on 11/18/2005 2:16:22 PM PST by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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"State controlled truth? Get over yourself. Your emotionally charged rhetoric is way over the top and exactly what the Hitlers and the Gobbels used to advance their version of what is truth about those evil joos."

Hey, it isn't MY country that threatens to put a person in jail for over twenty years for merely stating his personal idiotic opinions.
It is Austrians who are "overblown" with not only their rhetoric but also theirs actions.

Making a martyr out of this fool just falls into the hands of the extremists who LOVE this sort of overreaction.

"Now, likely out of societal guilt for what DID happen, the Austrians have laws to see that the holocaust doesn't happen again"

No they're just laying the groundwork for the next one. Repression only breeds discontemptment and now they've just given another weapon in their cause(The Jews control everything)

I'm a First Amendment(Constitionalist) Defender and I don't "pick and choose" who opinion is "political correct".

For an American I'd think you above all would understand that but I guess I'm wrong.

In America we just ignore these fools and not give them a national platform to scream "Repression"

They just go on Jerry Springer and let them be known for the fools they are.


The time to stand up and save the Jews and millions more is long since past.

Fighting the last war with old outdated tactics never works. The new Fascists always come under the guise of saving us from the horrors of the past while using the same repressive tactics of the enemy.
56 posted on 11/18/2005 2:38:37 PM PST by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: crabapple joe
"Two of the twelve jurors (both "minorities") would not vote for the death penalty. "

It's called jury nullification and its an old racist tactic to nullify an otherwise justly deserved verdict.

Johnny Cochran's style.
57 posted on 11/18/2005 3:04:50 PM PST by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: RedMonqey
Just a couple of things. So you don't sound like one of the "extremists who LOVE this sort of overreaction", the article said 1 -10 years, not "over 20 years" as you seem to have read.

Second. Please hear me clearly now, if this had happened here, I would be outraged that someone had been jailed and threatened with prison for writing his twisted version of history. However, the Austrians, with a different culture and historical perspective than we have, especially about WWII and the holocaust, have a right to do what they believe about this issue. , up to a point.

He went there, to their country and this is what they feel is appropriate. If the Austrians want to line him up and shoot him or turn him into soap or some other Nazi atrocity, I'd most definitely be outraged, but the mere threat of 1-10 years (not a sentence at this time) hasn't risen to my threshold for outrage yet. If they cut off his head and showed the video on tv? That would more than do it, but detaining him and a possible threat of Austrian prison? Not there yet.

Again, it's their country. But: If our government tried that here, I'll stand with you.

58 posted on 11/18/2005 6:41:31 PM PST by GBA (I believe Congressman Weldon! MSM do your job.)
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My mistake on the sentencing. I stand corrected.

I'm sure the Austrians have a different prospective on WW2 however principles are either sound or unsound on their merits alone.

I hate Michael Moore. I believe him and his ilk have damaged our reputation and prolonged this war just as their sixties counterculture hippies worsen the Vietnam war.

However denying them their First Amendment rights of Free Speech is horrid to me.
It takes a mature society to allow ALL VIEWS and if Vienna cannot tolerant the writings of a lone dingbat. Well then Austria has bigger problems than that of ghosts of events long past.

Hitler arose from the ashes of the Great War in which many believed they were "stabbed in the back" by politicians willing to compromise their rights away to foreign powers.

This action will only give ammunition to those Austrian malcontents who believe their rights are already suppressed by,as you put it "the Jooooos"
59 posted on 11/18/2005 7:36:20 PM PST by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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