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Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

Posted on 12/17/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Baraonda
"These blind fools are falling for it." I don't think they're either fools, blind or Christians. They know it and we know it. It is their purposeful intent to mock, deride, demean and belittle Christianity. Their ultimate intent is blatanly clear - Destruction of Christianity and its culture.

Why would the majority of christians, up to and including Pope John Paul who endorse the truth of the theory of evolution have as their ultimate intent, "Destruction of Christianity and its culture".

221 posted on 12/17/2005 10:28:41 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Baraonda
We're here to share our views and ideas on God's creation, in the hope that as American citizens we all have a right to hear and to be heard.

Ah, nope.

I'm here to shed a little apparently unwanted light on a criminal tax scammer and charletan.

222 posted on 12/17/2005 10:29:07 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: XeniaSt
If you would have ever taken a course in the "Philosophy of Science" You would know that the "Theory of Evolution" has never advanced past a hypothetical construct.


From an NSF abstract:

Those who oppose the teaching of evolution often say that evolution should be taught as a "theory, not as a fact." This statement confuses the common use of these words with the scientific use. In science, theories do not turn into facts through the accumulation of evidence. Rather, theories are the end points of science. They are understandings that develop from extensive observation, experimentation, and creative reflection. They incorporate a large body of scientific facts, laws, tested hypotheses, and logical inferences. In this sense, evolution is one of the strongest and most useful scientific theories we have [emphasis added].

Modified from RadioAstronomers's post #27 on another thread.


223 posted on 12/17/2005 10:30:07 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: freedumb2003

"Heck there is no proof that the Son Of God walked the Earth 2000 years ago."

The Son of God is an historical figure. He was as real as you and I. You know better than to lie about his existence. Shame on you! Had you said you don't believe in Him, I might have given you a pass, but to blatantly lie about His very existence tells me not to believe the rest of your words.


224 posted on 12/17/2005 10:30:37 AM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: wireman; sirchtruth
"Look, my contention is evolution is not proven and shouldn't be taught as such."

I think that's why it's called the THEORY of evolution. Words DO mean things.

Sirchtruth has had the scientific meaning of the word theory explained many times. Theories are the end-point of science; its ultimate goal. There is nothing higher in science. And Sirchtruth has had it explained many times that no scientific theory is ever proven. Proof is only for geometry and number theory. Yet curiously tabula rasa strikes yet again.

225 posted on 12/17/2005 10:31:06 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Coyoteman

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion and that does not make you a bad person, only a naive one. Moreover, not all opinions are worthy of respect.


226 posted on 12/17/2005 10:33:00 AM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: wireman
I think that's why it's called the THEORY of evolution. Words DO mean things.

Agreed. From the most recent edition of the American Heritage Dictionary:

the·o·ry (thē'ə-rē, thîr'ē) n., pl. -ries.

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

(emphasis mine)

227 posted on 12/17/2005 10:33:11 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: nmh; Thatcherite
Ah, ole Lucifer is laughing his arse off. Denying Him His rightful place as the Creator and characterizing Him as a stupid "ape". These blind fools are falling for it.

God, I love the self-importance of the Holy Rollers. So, now 80% of all Americans are under Satan's sway? Satan is laughing all right. By getting those who profess to be closest to God (Megolomania anyway) to close their eyes to anything beyond the end of their noses, to "debate" by distorting (a form of lying) about the presented arguments, and by not using God's greatest gift -- the Human Brain -- to understand and use the tools given to us by science, Satan is registering wins up all along the Right side of the Culture wars.

228 posted on 12/17/2005 10:33:43 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Baraonda
Had you said you don't believe in Him, I might have given you a pass, but to blatantly lie about His very existence tells me not to believe the rest of your words.

I suspect that there probably was someone named Jesus, but you're lying if you suggest that there's any direct evidence of him outside of the New Testament.

229 posted on 12/17/2005 10:34:53 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Thatcherite
>And you evolutionist wonder why people don't believe your B.S.?

I've found the usual reason to be a complete lack of interest in the evidence, and a complete lack of interest in "searching for the truth".

It isn't so much a complete lack of interest. It's more a complete aversion to accepting anything that threatens their religious views. In blind faith mode, they will do anything to rationalize away evidence even to the point of lying to themselves and others in defense of their God (which is a book, and not actually God Himself).

230 posted on 12/17/2005 10:36:16 AM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: Thatcherite
>"What is the real meaning of Hovind's challenge?"

I think your misquoting me. I did not write the above question. Perhaps you meant to post to someone else.

Bizarre. Truly bizarre. I lifted that sentence straight out of the post of yours that I responded to, and you didn't quote or italicise it. Perhaps you are suffering from a short-term memory problem.

MyResponse: Please, show me where I made that quote at the very top. I'm waiting...

231 posted on 12/17/2005 10:37:45 AM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: DennisR
I have absolutely no problem with the reasonable "if you are a black polar bear on an ice floe you will probably get killed first" idea. But when my 10th-grade biology teacher insinuated that we came from apes, that's where the line was drawn

So basically you admit that you don't accept science not because it doesn't have the evidence behind it or because it isn't persuasive, but because it makes you feel kind of uncomfortable. Well, on behalf of the entire scientific community, I'd like to extend you my sincerest apology for having hurt your feelings. Now, out of curiosity, are you a liberal?

232 posted on 12/17/2005 10:38:16 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: balrog666

Who knew Hovind had such a fan club here?


233 posted on 12/17/2005 10:38:52 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Baraonda
The Son of God is an historical figure. He was as real as you and I. You know better than to lie about his existence. Shame on you! Had you said you don't believe in Him, I might have given you a pass, but to blatantly lie about His very existence tells me not to believe the rest of your words.

No, a man who said he was the Son of God walked the Earth 2,000 years ago. The fact that I believe so (I do) and you believe so, is not "Proof." There is very sketchy proof outside of the Bible of Christ's existence (such as independent 3rd-party reports, for example). But thank you for showing how creationists "debate."

YOU were the one who said evolution can't be "proved." When I bring examples of things that can't be proved, you fall back to a faith-based argument.

If you believe in it -- it is "Proof." If you don't, it isn't.

Shame on YOU for being dishonest in your intellectual dealings.

234 posted on 12/17/2005 10:40:36 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Baraonda
MyResponse: Please, show me where I made that quote at the very top. I'm waiting...

Well, you don't have to wait for long. It is the last sentence you wrote in your post 201.

235 posted on 12/17/2005 10:41:03 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Thatcherite

Neither the majority of Christians, nor his Holiness, the Pope, endorse "Destruction of Christianity and its culture".

You're twisting words and ideas.


236 posted on 12/17/2005 10:41:52 AM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Baraonda
It is their purposeful intent to mock, deride, demean and belittle Christianity. Their ultimate intent is blatanly clear - Destruction of Christianity and its culture.

Settle down, lest you have a stroke.

The only person I've mocked, derided, demeaned or belittled is Hovind, the scammer who rips off rubes, apparently to a significant enough extent that the IRS wants him to pay the taxes on several millions of dollars of gross revenue (less any deductions he may be able to prove).

You're already doing a fine job of destroying yourselves without any outside help from me or anyone else on this thread.

237 posted on 12/17/2005 10:42:16 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: freedumb2003

238 posted on 12/17/2005 10:43:29 AM PST by RightWingAtheist ("Why thank you Mr.Obama, I'm proud to be a Darwinist!")
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To: Baraonda

So you don't think that those who promote the theory of evolution endorse "Destruction of Christianity and its culture". Well what actually did your OP mean then?


239 posted on 12/17/2005 10:43:37 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Who knew Hovind had such a fan club here?

This is our own little Moonbat corner. Pretty funny -- it is almost as easy as debating DUers. I am pretty sure our Luddites own their own homes, though (although few if any work in the Hard Sciences).

Our moonbats are a cut above theirs.

240 posted on 12/17/2005 10:44:13 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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