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To: Holdek

I don’t know why I am wasting my time with you (and I shall no longer respond, so do not bother replying):

If the US Citizen joins Al quada or works with the some other foreign power, he or she forfeits her protection as a “United States person.”

One more time:

(i) ''United States person'' means a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence (as defined in section 1101(a)(20) of title 8), an unincorporated association a substantial number of members of which are citizens of the United States or aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence, or a corporation which is incorporated in the United States, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE a corporation or an association which is a foreign power, as defined in subsection (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this section.

(a) ''Foreign power'' means - (1) a foreign government or any component thereof, whether or not recognized by the United States; (2) a faction of a foreign nation or nations, not substantially composed of United States persons; (3) an entity that is openly acknowledged by a foreign government or governments to be directed and controlled by such foreign government or governments.

Al Quada, the Iraqi Bathists, etc. are all “foreign powers.” If you work for them, you can be wiretapped.

The Courts have repeatedly agreed with the above interpretation. If you don’t like it go talk to the judges.


286 posted on 12/20/2005 8:47:49 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan

You present no proof that the courts have sided with your quite unique interpretation.

Nobody is arguing that an assocation is an American person and therefore protected from warentless wiretapping. What is obvious is that an American citizen is an American citizen, regardless of assocation, unless their citizenship is forfeited or taken away. And one does not forfeit their citizenship, and therefore designation as "United States person," by joining an organization, terrorist or otherwise. And as long as they are a United States citizen, they cannot be wiretapped without a court warrant in accordance with subclause B of FISA.

I will hand it to you though, you are quite creative. And the world needs creative lawyer types to do things like sue fast food restaurants for "causing" obesity.


288 posted on 12/20/2005 8:56:37 AM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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