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Remembering the Flying Tigers
Defense News ^ | Dec 20, 2005

Posted on 12/20/2005 5:38:44 PM PST by SandRat

The Flying Tigers of World War II
Americans have not always waited for their country to enter a war formally to fight for causes they supported. The tradition continued during the early days of World War II before the United States officially became a combatant. Some Americans joined the Royal Air Force, forming the Eagle Squadrons and fighting alongside English pilots in the Battle of Britain and other early conflicts. But it was another group of Americans, the American Volunteer Group (AVG) in China, that gained the most fame and notoriety in the early months of the war. On Dec. 20, 1941, the AVG 'Flying Tigers'entered combat for the first time.

From Volunteers to Regulars
The great value of the Flying Tigers was psychological and diplomatic. Amerians and Chinese hailed them as heroes during the early period of World War II when Japan had the upper hand. The Flying Tigers raised public hopes for eventual victory.

Additional Information

* The Flying Tigers

* Prelude to War

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; flying; remembering; tigers; wwii
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To: yarddog

There were a dozen civilians in my dad's Hump pilot outfit based in India, a few flyers with shady pasts and a few that liked living in Asia and just didn't want to go home. Many of these moved into DAC jobs related to Korea, as did my dad. He worked for the Army/State Department's Japan Procurement Agency in Tokyo and retired in the early 60s.


21 posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:03 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: yarddog
From what I can recall, it was a very hard book to put aside.
It had many fascinating tales, such as periodically painting the nose cones different colors to fool the Japanese as to their numbers. Or how the "coolies?" were able to raise a sunken P-40 from a river with bamboo.
22 posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:27 PM PST by labette
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To: Strategerist

My dad was actually a little too old to step forward in 1942, since he was born in 1906. He had been a pilot with China National Airlines Company (owned at that time by American Airlines) and the move to flying the Hump was a natural. He made 25 missions, suffered burns in a crash landing and was treated at the Army burn center in San Antonio. When he was released, he got a handshake and goodbye. Since he was a civilian, he never received Vet's recognition.


23 posted on 12/20/2005 6:34:26 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Since he was a civilian, he never received Vet's recognition

Yeah, the merchant mariners in the Atlantic (who I think had a higher death rate from being torpedoed than any of the armed forces) have the same problem.

The other weird story was either the Indians or Chinese (I think it was the Chinese) who would try to run across the runway right in front of a plane taking off so the plane would hit and kill the invisible evil spirit following them; some of them mis-timed their runs.

Also he had an unfortunate experience flying Chinese troops to India for them to be trained; none had flown in an airplane before, and they all got airsick...

24 posted on 12/20/2005 6:37:47 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist; Eric in the Ozarks

My Dad served with the 14th Air Force in China under Chenault's command.

If you haven't joined yet, you may want to consider joining the 14tth Air Force Association as associate members. Tex Hill and many other pilots were regular members and you can only imagine how the ranks of those regular members are fading lately. Direct descendants are entitled to join and it's a great organization.

The following link is a site made by a man who served with my father and it contains quite a bit of info with some great photos. On the opening page is a photo of the Blood Chit my dad wore on the back of a flight jacket he wore on the many trips he made over the "Hump". He was a Tech Sergeant, and one of his fondest memories was the day one of the pilots let him jump into the left seat up front for awhile on one of those trips from China to India.

http://community-2.webtv.net/HaoBooHao/CHINADAYS19441945/


25 posted on 12/20/2005 6:38:55 PM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: Cagey

My Dad is a member of the Hump Pilots Association and went to a couple of their conventions; unfortunately they stopped having them because so few of them were left alive.

My Dad still has the cool flag back patch from his flight jacket, and also has a separate blood chit. Somehow he lost track of the actual jacket which is a shame, wish we still had that.


26 posted on 12/20/2005 6:41:53 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: StarCMC
Nice post

I note in passing though that the picture labled P-40 Tomahawk is not a Tomahawk. The Tomahawk was the P-40B/C and had 4 machine guns in the wings. The pictured aircraft has six wing mounted machine guns, making it a P-40E (Kittyhawk) or later P-40K (Warhawk)

27 posted on 12/20/2005 6:42:46 PM PST by jscd3
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To: Strategerist
I still have quite a bit of his memorabilia and wouldn't part with them for any money. After the Blood Chit, another favorite is a silk air map of a section of China.

If you want, let me know and I'll forward the address of the 14th Air Force Association. They are still fairly active and each year have a get together in DC on Memorial Day which your Dad may want to attend. They also have regional meetings every once in awhile.
28 posted on 12/20/2005 6:47:41 PM PST by Cagey (Some men are Baptists, others Catholics, my father was an Oldsmobile man.)
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To: jscd3
The Tomahawk was the P-40B/C and had 4 machine guns in the wings. The pictured aircraft has six wing mounted machine guns, making it a P-40E (Kittyhawk) or later P-40K (Warhawk)

Yep, you're right about that.

Though the subject of what EXACTLY the AVG was flying has been a source of endless controversy, as they were flying aircraft originally meant for the RAF I think...

There's also a lot of mythology around them, including the basic myth that they were fighting before Pearl Harbor which is false...

The other weird thing that surprises people is that they weren't fighting Zeros at all; they were up against the Japanese Army, who never had Zeros (a Navy Aircraft). There were some Zeros fighting in China for a brief period of time, in a Navy detachment, but they never went up against the AVG. In fact most AVG kills were bombers and obselete fixed-landing gear fighters.

29 posted on 12/20/2005 6:51:41 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: SandRat
God Bless 'em all.
I used to play the game Car Wars with a group that called itself the "Driving Tigers" in their honor.
30 posted on 12/20/2005 7:50:17 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Baby Driver

Greg Boyington wasn't conscripted back into the Marine Corps. Due to his age, as well as other factors,it took quite a bit of effort to get the Marine Corps to reappoint him. Boyington commanded VMF-122 before he took command of VMF-214.


31 posted on 12/20/2005 8:44:02 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: wolf24

32 posted on 12/20/2005 9:20:48 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Making my list, checking it twice... max is still not on it.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Yes, i know..but many of the Tigers were "cajoled"
back into the US Miltary proper, when the US joned
the war. I agree that the word conscripted is not
completely accurate, but then neither is re-enlisted...
nor seconded...


33 posted on 12/21/2005 1:06:20 AM PST by Baby Driver
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To: SandRat

BTTT


34 posted on 12/21/2005 3:01:08 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Cagey

I have four CBI patches from Dad's uniforms, some pretty ragged with age. He was issued officers clothing and was addressed as "captain," but wore no rank insignia.


35 posted on 12/21/2005 5:58:56 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SandRat

Amen and Ged Bless them


36 posted on 12/21/2005 5:59:33 AM PST by bmwcyle (Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
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To: Strategerist
Though the subject of what EXACTLY the AVG was flying has been a source of endless controversy

Not really. The first load of aircraft that they used were p-40Bs destined for the RAF which they received after the North Africa mission for which they were intended was canceled.

Just prior to the AVG being folded back into the army air corp, a number of pilots received the P40E Kittyhawks, which had 6 wing mounted 50s, as opposed to 2 nose mounted 50's and 4 wing mounted 30's (or in some cases, only 4 wing mounted 30's) of the P-40B

A very good general overview of the career of the AVG can be found in Martain Caidin's history of the early air war in the Pacific 'The Ragged Rugged Warriors'

Good follow up post on the other myths of the AVG, by the way

37 posted on 12/21/2005 6:57:19 AM PST by jscd3
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
They sure do.

Forgive my cynicism. I'm sure that Chinese 'nationalists' remember and appreciate the courage and dedication of the Flying Tigers, almost as well as they remember their country before the scourge of Maoism took it under. However, most of the Chinese nationalists these days are dead or living in Taiwan. I doubt the Communists who rule the mainland today value or respect the contribution those Americans made toward defending their country pre-1949. As evidence I would simply offer the American spy plane downing incident with China in the earliest days of the GWB administration.

38 posted on 12/21/2005 9:22:44 AM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: mac_truck
I do some business with mainland Chinese and I happened to mention my dad was in the CBI. I got an invitation to come to their country as an honored guest. Their anti Japanese feelings trump any Taiwan issues and probably always will.
I work through a broker so I was able to pass on the invitation.
39 posted on 12/21/2005 9:39:37 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I am sure the fact that Japan has never offered a formal apology for the atrocities committed in China has a bit to do with their feelings. I realize relations between the two have not been good for decades, but the Japanese at the very least owe an apology to them.


40 posted on 12/21/2005 7:50:45 PM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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