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A veteran's sign upsets the recruiters next door
New York Times ^ | Monica Davey

Posted on 12/27/2005 9:09:14 AM PST by Renderofveils

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To: dakine

Apology accepted.


61 posted on 12/27/2005 11:49:07 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: dakine

Yes.

Each branch has a number of slots to fill. This is broken into contract goals and accession goals. The first is the gross number of delayed entry contract and the second is for the number of enlistees that actually ship off to basic training. Obviously this number is lower than the first.

Those goals get divvied up to the different reruiting regions and then to local stations. Some task individual recruiters with goals/missions/quotas. Back in 'my day' I'd have a typical goal of 2-3 Cat 3A male highschool grads per month.

Sometimes, but not often, I'd be allowed to enlist a high school senior in place of a grad, but normally we'd have to hit our goals by number and category. Exceeding the goals by volume didn't earn a pat on the back unless you did it with 'quality' (meaning Cat 3A) contracts.


I know, I know... you just asked me what time it is and I told you how to build a clock!


62 posted on 12/27/2005 11:49:13 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Thanks, that Gunny was telling me about the hours/pressure he was under, caught me as being tough duty...
Our military class was an easy break for him....


63 posted on 12/27/2005 11:52:02 AM PST by dakine
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To: Renderofveils

I'd like to know if this guy has been collecting disability payments since 1969. I don't begrudge him the money, I just think it's relevant.


64 posted on 12/27/2005 11:57:58 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: dakine

Traditionally it seems that the USMC disregards lessons learned by others and finds a way to make any task harder than it needs to be. Recruiting was no exception.

Yes, very tough, demanding, stressful work. Long hours, few real rewards.


65 posted on 12/27/2005 12:28:21 PM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: clawrence3
Hopefully Bush signed the spy order on this guy a long time ago.

Which is exactly why they cannot be allowed.

66 posted on 12/27/2005 1:18:48 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Why "who" can't be allowed?


67 posted on 12/27/2005 1:20:53 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Servant of the 9
FRED on Enlisting

I had a problem with this line:

They promise you college funds. (Check and see how many actually ever get those funds.

Enlistment is a contract. If you sign up for college money, you WILL be contractually entitled to it. Those who don't use it are just throwing money away, it's their own fault.

However, hyping the tuition assistance you get while in the military is misleading (TA pays 75% or more of tuition while you're in). Lots of troops never get the chance to use it, while those in garrison with regular hours can, with little money of their own, easily knock out an associate's degree during a four-year enlistment.

Know what happens when an RPG hits a tank? Nothing good.

These days with the M1, not much bad. It just tells the tank's gunner where the bad guy is. But I understand the point.

68 posted on 12/27/2005 1:31:33 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: clawrence3
Why "who" can't be allowed?

Warrantless interception of communications. You just mentioned a prime abuse.

69 posted on 12/27/2005 1:32:35 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

That what I thought, but just wanted to make sure. Since every President since Carter has been authorized to do the same, I fail to see why we should stop during this war.


70 posted on 12/27/2005 1:34:49 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Since every President since Carter has been authorized to do the same, I fail to see why we should stop during this war.

Presidents used to do it all the time. Then came a series of scandals where the powers were seriously abused, resulting in the FISA court as the proper way for a president to perform national security surveillance. No president should be allowed to do this, unless you'd like to have COINTELPRO back.

71 posted on 12/27/2005 1:38:07 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: clawrence3
Hopefully Bush signed the spy order on this guy a long time ago.

Why?

If you are going into the military, you should be reminded of not only the benfits, but also the risks.

72 posted on 12/27/2005 1:40:03 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru

*benefits.


73 posted on 12/27/2005 1:40:25 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: clawrence3

How does putting up this sign warrant being spied on?


74 posted on 12/27/2005 1:42:43 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: antiRepublicrat

The "proper" (and Constitutional) way for a President to perform national security surveillance during wartime is WITHOUT COURT INTERFERENCE.


75 posted on 12/27/2005 1:44:39 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Bella_Bru

Who knows what else this guy is doing that may be illegal - better safe than sorry - has he been to any Middle Eastern terrorist training camps, for instance?


76 posted on 12/27/2005 1:46:03 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Who knows what those NRA members are up to - better to be safe than sorry.

Who knows what those members of Free Republic are up to - better safe than sorry.

77 posted on 12/27/2005 1:50:22 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru

Any NRA and/or Free Republic members who have been to Middle Eastern terrorist training camps should be spied on too.


78 posted on 12/27/2005 2:01:24 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Well, you just don't know, do you?

A guy reminding people of how many have died in Iraq - yeah, that's a great reason for a wiretap.

If that's your standard, any possible disagreement with any of the current administration's decision, then most of FR would have been wiretapped when Clinton was President.

79 posted on 12/27/2005 2:09:10 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: antiRepublicrat
I had a problem with this line: They promise you college funds. (Check and see how many actually ever get those funds.

I do too. Fred goes over the top on a number of things in this article. He is not normally anti-military.
I think in this case he was trying to give a kid some balance by being the anti-recruiter and stretching the other side of the story to get him to think before he signed up.

So9

80 posted on 12/27/2005 2:09:29 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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