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To: Prodigal Son
This is nothing new. NSA is listening to calls into the USA from AQ and known AQ contacts. They are not listening to you, unless you are getting calls from such people.

This is not the first time this has been done. It has been ruled on by the courts before.

However, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant, in which you can call Bush a dictator.

9 posted on 01/03/2006 3:19:44 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

Well, Miss Marple, apparently I have offended you because you are putting words in my mouth. I have never called Bush a dictator nor would I. If you want to see that go over to DemUnderground.

I think I made it pretty clear in my post that I am not just concerned with this President or this enemy that we currently face. I am concerned with the Hillary Clintons, the Howard Deans the Nancy Pelosis and Cynthia McKinneys and other nutjobs we have yet to be introduced to who might use this in the future.

I guarantee that if this were Al Gore doing this right now, you would find narry a Freeper to go along with it and that they do it now just to support this President is a bit sickening in my opinion.

My country comes before my party in my heart. My country comes before the occupant of the White House. Presidents come and go but the nation must endure so that freedom will endure. And if freedom has not survived then neither has a nation that has been founded upon it. Freedom must be zealousy defended. Zealousy.

This is where my allegiances lie. Everything else is secondary. Better to have al Qaeda cut my head off than to give up everything that makes life worth living.

But you can do what you want of course.


10 posted on 01/03/2006 3:41:39 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Miss Marple
This is nothing new. NSA is listening to calls into the USA from AQ and known AQ contacts. They are not listening to you, unless you are getting calls from such people.

I've noticed this claim quite a few times, but interstingly, I notice they're not pushing it very hard. If they're tapping an al qaeda phone, and you happen to be the one they call, then they aren't violating your fourth-amendment rights at all. That argument would be watertight, so I wondered why they didn't use it more. But I realized why, later. They aren't using it because that's not what's happening: what's happening is that once you receive a phone call, they're tapping your phone as well, without a warrant.

It's ironic, because under those circumstances probable cause is airtight, and getting a warrant should take about five minutes. IOW, the argument for a warrantless tap is in reality the strongest argument why they should certainly go for a warrant.

23 posted on 01/03/2006 4:18:52 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Miss Marple
This is nothing new. NSA is listening to calls into the USA from AQ and known AQ contacts. They are not listening to you, unless you are getting calls from such people.

Ummm ... they endeavor to capture to all international communication, and probably a good deal of domestic communication too.

This is not the first time this has been done. It has been ruled on by the courts before.

Yep. And been the subject of Senate hearings before too.

40 posted on 01/03/2006 5:41:28 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Miss Marple
NSA is listening to calls into the USA from AQ and known AQ contacts. They are not listening to you, unless you are getting calls from such people.

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A fact conveniently ignored by those who oppose President Bush on this issue.

142 posted on 01/03/2006 10:25:27 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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