Holy War: The Year the Muslims Took Rome

Chiesa.com ^ | January 5, 2005 | Sandro Magister

[rjp2005]

The Vatican will be attacked early in the next decade. Both Pope Pius X and Pope Pius IX saw a vision of it, in addition to prophecies of some saints.

[montag813]

MORE ISLAMOPHOBIC BIAS AND LIES!

"Jihad" means doing something nice. Like adopting a cute little puppy dog and keeping him warm. Or buying a lollypop for a child. Or helping a Jew cut his head off. Do not believe all the lies about Jihad being violent!

[livius]

Heck, the newer books make it sound as if Spain was lucky the Muslims conquered it. Spain, contrary to popular thinking, was the intellectual heir of the Roman Empire and a seat of learning and culture at the beginning of what are referred to as the Dark Ages. Just prior to the Muslim invasion, St. Isidore of Sevilla published a compendium of ¨all human knowledge¨ at that time, including Classical writings. The first Muslims who took over were only recently ¨converted¨ themselves, from fairly advanced pagan and Christian cultures (present day Iraq and Iran), and Islam was at any point so new that it was not that doctrinally consolidated at that time. They did what their pre-Islamic, Roman influenced cultures had always done, which was extract taxes and let life go on as usual. They even became rather syncretist and let Spanish learning continue for awhile - until they themselves were overrun by more ¨orthodox¨ Arab Muslims, who promptly initiated persecutions of Christians and Jews, a process that was repeated several times.

But instead our history books go on about the glories that the Muslims ¨brought to¨ Spain. It ain´t true.

[livius]

For some bizarre, inscructable reason, they see Islam as less threatening than Christianity. Christianity has become so divided and fragmented, it fails to provided a united front and has its bizarre elements and sects. They want to be rid of Christianity in any form because it is their perception that Christians block scientific and their version of social progress. They have blinders on. All their social experimentation will come to a screeching halt once Islam suceeds in reaching critical mass in various countries.

I´m copying this because I think it´s a brilliant point. I agree with your analysis 100%.

[livius]

They hated Barbara Erenreich (A Distant Mirror) and the author (whose name I don´t remember) who wrote A Midwife´s Tale, a brilliant piece of research into women´s lives in the early US because these writers were not part of the annointed elite. Furthermore - gasp! - these writers wrote books that were interesting and were actually bought by somebody other than the university libraries that have to purchase this kind of thing.

[livius]

Sorry - I meant Barbara Tuchman!

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Western liberals are unable to arrive at an intellectually coherent and morally honest condemnation of the genocidal ideology of jihad because, enmired in secular humanism and moral relativism, they are not clear in their own minds what they stand for. Indeed, Western liberals already are imposing a suicidal genocide of depopulation on themselves.

You have to be for something in a metaphysical sense in order to understand why mass murder is wrong. Western liberals categorically refuse to come clean here. Having abandoned Christian civilization, they are confused even as the barbarians are piercing the gates...

[CheyennePress]

Well, you do have the Tatar Muslims in Russia... definitely from the Khanate. But youa re correct.

[StAnDeliver]

"there are a significant number of people who are weary of religion"

Only in the NYT newspit.

Self-Described Religious Identification of U.S. Adult Population: 2001

Total Christian 88.3%

• Catholic 79.8%
  
• Baptist 25.9%
  
• Methodist 17.2%

No Religion/Atheist/Agnostic 15.0%
Muslim 0.6%

[redgolum]

I have A Distan Mirror. Good book, and one that kind of opens up the Middle Ages a bit.

[redgolum]

The Vatican will be attacked early in the next decade. Both Pope Pius X and Pope Pius IX saw a vision of it, in addition to prophecies of some saints.

Not a prophet, but I think that it will be attacked very soon. Like in a few years. Italy has a growing problem with islam, and refuses to do much about it.

[the invisib1e hand]

That soulless building really captures the beauty of islam.

it's not really a great picture. But, yeah, good observation.

[Flying Circus]

"What was curious about this one is that catholics don't talk much about the end times"

For anyone one of us today could be our last day. We have work to do- we are commissioned to make disciples of all nations. Why look for signs of the end of the world? If we concern ourselves with wondering too much about when the world will end then we probably aren't doing the work we are supposed to. We just need do our best to follow God's will until the end of our time in this world and leave it to Him to decide when that comes.

[nopardons]

bttt

[rjp2005]

Next decade, not sooner. Benedict's successor.

[redgolum]

Out of curiosity, why?

[rjp2005]

See PR.

[rochester_veteran]

You have to be for something in a metaphysical sense in order to understand why mass murder is wrong. Western liberals categorically refuse to come clean here. Having abandoned Christian civilization, they are confused even as the barbarians are piercing the gates...

...which is why I came back home to being a Catholic. You stated this well! Secular humanism and moral relativism tends to confuse its adherents on what is right and what is wrong. Everything is in the gray area, rather than black or white. Secular humanism and moral relativism is the Church of What's Happenin' Now! :-) Will they be able to stand up and resist the jihadists? I doubt it!