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To: Shery

...and there's not much wow's from my side.

This guy paints europe anti america and pro - terror and claims to cry the beloved continent.

Beloved hu ?

He doesn't welcome the european affinity of anglo american culture - he calls it slavish.

What is slavish about me favouring jazz, coke and blue jeans ? It's good stuff.

What does he want - gratitude because your grandpa won WWII ?

Tell you what ... I wake up often enough feeling grateful to be in germany living here as it is today - relatively free and independant. I know many GIs lost their lives so history could take this path. My deepest simpathy for those who suffered under the nazi regime in which way ever.

But freedom and prosperity didn't come as a gift to germany - we sure as hell paid for it and worked our asses of. The Marshall Plan was an investment and it paid of big time for the US as well as for us. Certainly things didn't work well for the other winner of WWII - the soviet union.
And if somebody has won the cold war then it's germany - now sited in the center of a new europe.

I am not trying to burry 2500 years of good history and I am aware of the moral and political values europe created.

Who's that guy insinuating this ?

You guys are invited to be partners in the future as you where in the past and are in present times. Partners on eye level as the author claims to want.

I just think that's exactly what this guy is affraid of.

Whish you all a nice weekend.


16 posted on 01/06/2006 6:50:03 AM PST by globalheater (we need more thoughts then opinions)
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To: globalheater

"You guys are invited to be partners in the future as you where in the past and are in present times. Partners on eye level as the author claims to want."

I wish you the best. Germany will need level headed and forward looking people in the years ahead. The mere fact that you are participating in this forum places you in the upper percentile.


20 posted on 01/06/2006 7:08:28 AM PST by marktwain
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To: globalheater

Right now if Iran declares war on your Germany they like the French would have to surrender immediately.

Most Middle Eastern Islamic countries have bigger and stronger armies than any country I can think of in Europe.

If it wasn't for pissing off the US, the Arabs would be marching down main street Europe.

The Jewish extermination by Hitler would seem like a picnic compared to what these Arabs would do to the general population.

How many ways can you say extermination to all non Muslims.

Pull your head out and think about what it is your supporting.


25 posted on 01/06/2006 7:45:39 AM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: globalheater

I think you missed VDH's point. He's saying that radical Islam poses an urgent threat to Europa, and that the current intellectual climate is such that it is impossible to consider the nature and extent of that challenge in polite company. He's not slamming Europe, just pointing out that you might want to consider manning the watch.

Your situation in Germany is different than France and the low countries, but is troubling nonetheless. Hop on the train to Rotterdam and take a trolly down to the stadium, and you'll get the idea of what VDH is talking about more directly.

There was one other article by Mark Steyn posted a couple of days ago on this topic that was more blunt. (link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550710/posts )

Here's the salient point from Steyn : "The challenge for those who reckon western civilization is on balance better than the alternatives is to figure out a way to save at least some parts of the west."

For what it's worth, I think that Steyn's more pessimistic view is correct. Sure hope I'm wrong, though.


26 posted on 01/06/2006 8:27:44 AM PST by absalom01 (NRA,CRPA)
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To: globalheater
And if somebody has won the cold war then it's germany - now sited in the center of a new europe.

Are you talking about the cold war with the former Soviet Union?

Please let me know how Germany won the cold war.

Some folks around here were thinking that Ronald Reagan had a hand in that.

37 posted on 01/06/2006 12:17:04 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: globalheater

V.D. Hanson isn't picking a fight with you, or the EU, he's mourning the fact that the EU doesn't seem to be able to read the tea leaves. It's actually a love letter.


45 posted on 01/06/2006 8:25:12 PM PST by hershey
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To: globalheater
That means they'll start getting serious about national defense and stop US bashing, right?

As if.

47 posted on 01/06/2006 9:01:48 PM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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