What Will Europe Really Do?

Real Clear Politics ^ | February 14, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

[OldArmy52]

For sure.

Can any reasonable person SERIOUSLY believe a Democratic Party controlled Fed govt would resist Islamic extremism?

[vimto]

So, long answer/comment to your eloquent post, my guess is we're going to be there for you militarily (if it ever gets to that), but its going to be a long, lonely time before we get our asses in gear. Just like the 1938-1942 time frame. I hope you know how to keep your powder dry.


Thanks for bewing so honest. As far as I am concerned the nearest country to the UK is USA, and though many shout loudly against you there are many who are appalled by their lack of respect.

I mentioned on here the other day that there is a lot of Nuclear capability in France and UK that no Islamist should be near. The stakes are high.

And let me tell you - I went to Luxembourg and they love the Americans - if you go there you are treated like royalty - they remember the Battle of the Bulge, a vicious rearguard action in which tens of thousands of Americans died.

We have had it too easy in Europe - in a sense you are to largely to blame for protecting us.

so i understand your position entirely. a lot of FReepers huff and puff at me but like you most will come in and help yet again when the chips are down. I don't blame you all for your condemnation but I think your loyalty will be there when needed.

kind regards.

[Caipirabob]

Socialism and liberalism are no match for islam, but Christianity is.

Wow. What a powerful thought.

He's correct. The problem with European Socialists is the moral vacuum. Government cannot dictate morality when there is simply no basis for morality. Socialism is by nature a failure because it places government as the source of moral doctrine. People hear socialists lament over what is supposed to be right and wrong, their version of social justice. It has no impact, as the thinking man simply responds "Who the hell are you to tell me this?" Suffice to say that God in Heaven carries more influence. Socialists want to be God, but mostly end up looking like a sad joke (see: France.)

Christianity offers a vast array of moral doctrine and can be deeply infused within a society. The beliefs drive individuals to conform to society within the moral parameters defined by that doctrine. Socialist doctrine can never achieve that level of societal penetration. It is a joke by comparison.

Islam and Christianity can be described as competing in the area of morality ideology, although they are by no means comparable. Islam's advantage in Europe comes at the expense of the decline of Christianity due to the attack upon it by Socialists. They've been attempting to purge society of Christian values for years so that there can be no moral opposition to the implementation of a governing socialist ideology.

And in that moral vacuum left by a weakened Christian population, Islam thrives. It easily feeds upon the discontent and malice of the growing migrant population. It manipulates their frustration and fosters hatred which their leaders can direct like a blow from a hammer.

Bet those Euros are thinking that maybe those Christians and Jews weren't so bad after all.

Anyway, TheCrusader said it better in less words. Brevity is the soul of wit.

[guitfiddlist]

I believe that in the end, the western countries will unite to fight the scourge of Islamofascism. But first, Europe needs to get that sanctimonious and superior smirk slapped right off its face - but not by us.

Cruel as it sounds, this is a necessary step towards uniting against a common foe. If they are constantly shielded by us from the consequences of their own appeasement and enabling of the enemy - they will never grow up.

Hence, Bush's "surprising" reticence on the looney toon rioters is sociopolitical brilliance. When Europe finally comes limping back over from its riots and terrorist attacks (which will inevitably escalate), and after it's got "its mind right", we'll be there to participate with them in building a united front.

Who knows how long it'll take, but I hope they wise up in a hurry.

[Asereje]

I am not so optimist. Europe has been disorientated since French revolution...and the philosophical movements that appears after it, that it is going to be quite difficult to go back to our roots.

[muir_redwoods]

"What Will Europe Really Do?"

Mostly, they will fold and wait for the grownups to fix it.

[Asereje]

Socialims has done a lot of damage. They have corroded the moral roots of Europe. That is an advantage to Islamist. Who at least know what they believe and what they are defending.

If you don't value your civilization you won't have the courage to protect it.

[Caipirabob]

WELCOME to FR, BTW!

[Asereje]

Thank you

BTW???

[nmh]

It spells WAR!

Even liberals are getting it!

[nmh]

I'm with you ... .

It has to end.

[Caipirabob]

By The Way...(while it's still relevant or current)

[ZeitgeistSurfer]

The Europeans don't as yet understand that they are dealing with a feral beast with no trace of a human soul. They have a hard time digesting this information being secular humanists and global universalists. True Christians and Jews understand that The Beast exists. Islam is Satanic at its core and is finally starting to show its true nature. It will take some truly tooth-rattling acts to shake these people out of their denial, ignorance and complacency.

[gr8eman]

The ghost of Chamberlain is alive and well on the continent. The difference between "soft fascism" (the centralised gov't programs that all the Euros have to buy into) and Islamic fascism is not as great as between the former and having to fend for yourself (i.e. freedom from gov't). The entitlement mentality is so ingrained that it prevails even when there is are no actual entitlements. The Euro hatred of Bush is built on the premise of a lie that is the caricature of the Marxist mentality. It is not socialism, because if it were there would be no way to fool the masses into a sense of false security. True socialism is not centralised so I do not refer to it in that context. IMO the best analogy/metaphor/juxtaposition is the pure vile hatred of George Bush vs. the slight racism towards the Muslims. The Mussies are not a true threat because no one thinks they will ever have the power to take away the nonexistant entitlements, but GWB is evil because his ideas prove the lack of necessity and nonexistance of the entitlements thereby delegitimising the Marxist mentality wholesale. Hence, I agree totally with your assessment.

[Smokin' Joe]

But on the other hand, if when it happens it's going to be so terrible...

Fixed that (most likely).

[Smokin' Joe]

Sorry, as much as I'd love to take in their beautiful women, I'm already taken. No additional beautiful women for me.

Same here, but I do have grandsons...

[Pietro]

"They'll attack islamo-fascism with unparalled zeal"

LOL

You've just one the prize for the most ridicuulus statement of the day.

[RobFromGa]

great article by VDH

Europe will not act as one, but each country has the choice to make: 1) defend yourself or 2) try the appeasement route.

[sageb1]

"in that moral vacuum left by a weakened Christian population, Islam thrives"

You're not so bad at brevity. You should use the above for your tagline.

[Lando Lincoln]

VDH ping to our good friend Tolik.