Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
I think that is why God allowed it. I know many are quite miffed at him for "sleeping" on that day, but bigger things are definitely afoot in the heavenly realm (i.e. "as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are my ways above your ways").
Use a little antibiotic against an infection and if it doesn't kill it, the infection will come back with a vengeance and be much harder to kill....Gulf War I taught us that when you strike at the king you must kill him or you will have to fight the same battle later....
Lots of good debates here, many different opinions, will we learn from history or repeat it? Which history?
"Ahhh..she's like 85..She grinds alright. "
Ah, that grind. I can hear it in my right knee. Age bites!
We are a bit off topic, but this topic has wound down. It's no longer really active.
Thank [insert deity here] for that.
This thread is one of the low points in FR history for me. Change one word and it reads like Mein Kampf.
Unlike the threat of radical Islam, which thrives amid the willful ignorance and misspent sympathy of those in the west who refuse to see that threat for what it is.
Terrorism never sleeps.
Aside from the Constitutional problem, this is also a very very very very very very
bad idea.
The instant you allow a religion to be proscribed based on the fact it is a "terrorist organization", or that it "advocates violence" or some other such thing, you created your own petard. The government that today is perfectly well intentioned and could be trusted to use such legal concepts for good might tomorrow fall into the hands of those who would use the exact same tools to -- for example-- jail all those who speak against abortion, since they are identifying themselves as members of a "terrorist organization."
Idiots. To forget that the limitations on governemental power in our Constitution were not just written out of moral and legal concerns, but out of PRAGMATIC concerns. You hand somebody a gun once, and then argue all you want how and when he should use it against you, and he listens to you if he wants -- or maybe he just shoots you mid-sentence.
The thread reminds me Chamberlain in Munich, circa 1938.
There were only a few people that sounded like that here. And many that disagreed. Does that count for something?
Terrorism never sleeps.
Just be ready,cuz.
Just as we were hit before,we'll be hit again.Just don't know when.
How about ramming airliners filled with fuel into skyscrapers to the chants of "Allahu Akhbar"?
How well I remember the televised images of joyous celebration throughout the Islamic world.
"And you shall know the wackaloons by their foaming of the mouth".....(From the book of Essie Lou's General Sayings and Crankfests)
Hehehe.
Oh, I'm almost tempted to abandon my current tagline and adopt that fine quotation instead.
Wonderful sentiments, but...
Islam is the reason
for the treason!
Yes, it proves that there is hope for us.
So long as we do not become the monsters we fight.
The thread reminds me Chamberlain in Munich, circa 1938.
I view the central issue of this thread to be whether Islam deserves the constitutional protections afforded a religion.
Constitutional rights are not, of course, absolute. They must be balanced against other facts, such as the potential for harm.
It sure looks like a cult to me.
LOL!
Feel free.
Or another of my favorites was "I bet you hear organ music when you type!"
May I reiterate my recommendation that all read John Hagee's book, "JERUSALEM COUNTDOWN", which is available for less than $9.00 at your nearest Costco? To learn what is really going on is our sovereign duty to our God, our country and our families.
Thx.
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