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F-22, fighter of the future, set to scream into Tucson
Arizona Daily Star ^ | Feb 26, 2006 | Carol Ann Alaimo

Posted on 02/26/2006 7:12:29 AM PST by SandRat

The newest bird in the Air Force fleet — and one of the noisiest — will make its Tucson debut next weekend. The F-22 Raptor, a sleek and supersonic stealth jet that's more advanced than any other in Air Force history, will be among dozens of new and vintage warplanes in town to train for the 2006 air- show season.

Two or three of the futuristic fighters will touch down during the annual Heritage Flight Conference at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, a three-day event that allows pilots to practice formation flying for eight to nine hours a day. It's part of the certification process to perform on the air-show circuit.

The training conference runs from Friday through Sunday.

To military aircraft enthusiasts, the Raptor's arrival is cause for ooh-ing and aah-ing.

"The F-22 is a pretty spectacular bit of technology," said Scott Marchand, director of collections and aircraft restoration at the Pima Air and Space Museum. The radar-defeating aircraft, which cost about $130 million apiece, came into service three months ago, so recently that few civilians have ever seen one in flight.

"This is a rare chance to get a sneak peek at the next generation of air-dominance fighters," Marchand said. The F-22 "is a much noisier airplane" than the A-10 attack jets that typically fly above Tucson, Marchand noted.

And the Raptor also has much more advanced capabilities, such as the ability to cruise at supersonic speed without afterburners, and sophisticated sensors that allow the pilot to track, identify and shoot a threat before it detects the F-22. But some Tucsonans concerned about military-jet noise see the extra flights as an added headache and safety risk.

National security requirements are one thing. Practicing for air shows is another, said Daniel Patterson, city planning commissioner.

"I'm not sure it's appropriate to have all these additional overflights in a big city. It seems like it would be more appropriate for a remote location," said Patterson, who is also a co-chairman of Tucsonans for Quality of Life, a citizens group concerned about the environmental impact of the air base.

He said the air-show training heaps one more aggravation onto residents already negatively affected by things like extra helicopter flights and on-again, off-again night training at D-M.

Col. Michael Isherwood, D-M's vice commander, said he doesn't expect a major increase in noise because the F-22 is not at full power when flying in formation.

According to an Air Force noise study, an F-22 flying 500 feet above ground level sounds about the same as a chain saw operating nearby.

About 40 aircraft will take part in the training sessions, including historic warplanes such as the World War II-era P-51 Mustang and the F-86 Sabre, which was flown during the Korean War.

While the training flights will be visible to city residents, the event is not open to the public.

Marchand said a prime viewing spot is the parking lot of the air museum, 6000 E. Valencia Road, between South Wilmot Road and Interstate 10.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: airshow; f22; f22raptor; fighter; future; raptor; scream; tucson; usaf; wahmypuyhurts
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To: SandRat
National security requirements are one thing. Practicing for air shows is another, said Daniel Patterson, city planning commissioner.

"I'm not sure it's appropriate to have all these additional overflights in a big city. It seems like it would be more appropriate for a remote location," said Patterson, who is also a co-chairman of Tucsonans for Quality of Life, a citizens group concerned about the environmental impact of the air base.


"For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!

But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;"

- R. Kipling
21 posted on 02/26/2006 8:18:04 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: norton
Once upon a time when the idjits would complain about the base hurting the local economy, the base would pay everyone in $2 bills.

The merchants would very quickly learn where all that money came from!

22 posted on 02/26/2006 8:20:01 AM PST by null and void (Imagine what they would be doing if it wasn't a religion of peace!!!)
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To: SandRat
BTW, if this is for the "Heritage Flight" displays, then we aren't really talking about some kind of high speed, turn-n-burn maneuvering training. Heritage Flight displays put aircraft from multiple generations into the same formation for nice and gentle (and completely photogenic), crowd-pleasing flybys.

There are lots of pictures of these available out on the web by googling "heritage flight" ... but a good primer page can be found here
23 posted on 02/26/2006 8:24:32 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: APRPEH
I heard on The Military Channel, that some critics are saying it's designed to do many things at the cost of not doing anything really well.

I think the F-18 Eagle received similar criticism when it first came out, but has since gone on to prove itself, well, in a word, a fighter/bomber, aircraft.

So what is the list of expectations:

Bomb carrying
Missile launching
Dog fighting (maneuverable)
High speed
Stealth

Time will tell, especially after the plane is sent into combat.
24 posted on 02/26/2006 8:25:17 AM PST by MensRightsActivist
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To: MensRightsActivist

"I think the F-18 Eagle received similar criticism when it first came out, but has since gone on to prove itself, well, in a word, a fighter/bomber, aircraft."

Oppps! "I think the F-18 Eagle received similar criticism when it first came out, but has since gone on to prove itself, well, in a word, a SUPERIOR fighter/bomber, aircraft."


25 posted on 02/26/2006 8:27:34 AM PST by MensRightsActivist
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To: APRPEH

They're gorgeous!

They can fly all over my neighborhood anytime they want.

The fact that they annoy liberals is all to the best.

Let's defund NPR, PBS, the National Endowment for the Arts, etc., buy about 500 of these elegant machines, and let them train constantly above liberal enclaves.


26 posted on 02/26/2006 8:31:29 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (DO NOT read to the end of this tagline . . . Oh, $#@%^, there you went and did it.)
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To: MonroeDNA
Not trying to one up you. But my favorite is BUFF's on two minute intervals until the base is empty. Saw it once at March AFB. Very impressive. They say no small planes can come within the flight path for quite sometime. The turbulence is so bad.
27 posted on 02/26/2006 8:33:47 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: MensRightsActivist

Dude What is an F-18 Eagle?


28 posted on 02/26/2006 8:34:58 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

Speaking of the National Endowment for the Arts, they don't know art. The F-22 is art.


29 posted on 02/26/2006 8:37:59 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join FR Team 36120 at http://folding.stanford.edu {Protein Folding Project})
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To: MonroeDNA

AT least the USAF went to twin engined fighters. I heard the F16 had problems. So much so, they earn the nick name Lawn Dart becuase of all the crashes.


30 posted on 02/26/2006 8:40:37 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( A moose once bit my sister.Mind you, an moose bite can be pretty nasty)
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To: null and void
National security requirements are one thing. Practicing for air shows is another, said Daniel Patterson, city planning commissioner. "I'm not sure it's appropriate to have all these additional overflights in a big city. It seems like it would be more appropriate for a remote location,"

I have to agree with him there. Far better that any training accidents happen over open desert.

When training for an air show, you want to practice around and over the city where the show is taking place. You need to learn where power lines are, where the tall buildings are, where the landmarks are that mark your turning points and boundaries of the air show. You also need to learn safe ejection places and a host of other concerns that can only be learned by flying above the site of the show.

All the citizens are asked to endure is "a little noise". Wow, what an enormous sacrifice.

31 posted on 02/26/2006 8:40:41 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: SandRat
The newest bird in the Air Force fleet — and one of the noisiest

I would nominate the F-104 Starfighter as one of the noisiest in AF history. While TDY at Incirlik in the early 90's, the Turkish AF still operated F-104's and when the took off, you could literally feel it in your gut.

32 posted on 02/26/2006 8:42:21 AM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: SandRat

Weren't those F-22s that did a fly-by prior to the start of the Daytona 500 last week?


33 posted on 02/26/2006 8:50:15 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: SunTzuWu

Point conceded.

You'll note I didn't even address the noise issue.


34 posted on 02/26/2006 8:57:33 AM PST by null and void (Imagine what they would be doing if it wasn't a religion of peace!!!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
"They can fly all over my neighborhood anytime they want."

The 142nd fighter squadron is based in Portland, OR. There is a vocal group right across the Columbia River in Vancouver, WA. that constantly complain about the noise and write letters to the editor. Finally, a gentleman wrote a letter and said he lived in the normal takeoff pattern and loved the sound because it was the sound of freedom. I think he made a very good point, and please excuse my rambling.
35 posted on 02/26/2006 8:57:33 AM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: null and void
You'll note I didn't even address the noise issue.

Sorry. My sarcasm was directed at the limp wristed citizen cited in the article.

36 posted on 02/26/2006 9:02:51 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: norton
You addressed this to the wrong person. I lived for many years 2 miles from an Air Force base.

I love the "sound of freedom"!

37 posted on 02/26/2006 9:04:44 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: SunTzuWu

No problem. I hadn't given due thought to the site specific issues you raised.

Thanks for the input.


38 posted on 02/26/2006 9:04:55 AM PST by null and void (Imagine what they would be doing if it wasn't a religion of peace!!!)
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To: jazusamo

Rambling's great. In rambling you find truth.

I live in Flagstaff, AZ. Flag has been a railroad town since the 1870's. Now we have a group of moonbats who want to ban "train noise" at a cost to the taxpayers of millions and millions. They are succeeding!

Please come, F-22s. Fly over Flagstaff day and night.


39 posted on 02/26/2006 9:05:18 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (DO NOT read to the end of this tagline . . . Oh, $#@%^, there you went and did it.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

These are no doubt the same people who go to rock concerts and raves...


40 posted on 02/26/2006 9:11:55 AM PST by null and void (Imagine what they would be doing if it wasn't a religion of peace!!!)
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