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Bye-bye baby (Childfree and Loving It)
Telegraph ^ | February 26, 2006 | Julia Llewellyn Smith

Posted on 02/28/2006 1:23:15 AM PST by beaversmom

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To: wtc911

If you had bothered to investigate properly you would have discovered that I am the one married to the nicest and prettiest girl in the world. I will overlook your presumption this time but don't let it happen again. ;-)


41 posted on 02/28/2006 5:22:20 AM PST by ZChief
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To: beaversmom
"A high percentage of us now think there's no God and if you add to that there's no need to reproduce then what on earth is it all for? Choosing not to have children gets to the heart of all those big issues.'"

A rather succinct summation of atheism.

42 posted on 02/28/2006 5:26:44 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Atlantic Bridge
The Roman Empire thought the same thing, as did Nazism, the Japanese, etc, etc. Besides, Islam has never spread through intellectual means, but through subjugation. It can and will happen again if the West does not wake up.Could you have imagined 20 years ago that there would be rioting over cartoons and murdering of film makers in Europe over "insulting" Mohammad? Of course not. But it is happening, and like the proverbial frog in the boiling water, it has caught many a European off guard. Hopefully it is not too late.
43 posted on 02/28/2006 5:32:24 AM PST by bella1
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To: Draco
There is a spiritual aspect to childbearing/rearing that I think Europe has lost in some ways.

Yeah, the article did mention that since so many now do not believe in God, they don't see the need to reproduce because "what is it all for?". Sad, really.

44 posted on 02/28/2006 5:32:31 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: beaversmom

Those with attitudes like this shouldn't pass on their genes.


Then there's some of us that should take up the slack!


45 posted on 02/28/2006 5:34:42 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: beaversmom

Better to have no desire for children than to have 5 and be Andria Yates.


46 posted on 02/28/2006 5:35:50 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: MaDuce

I, too, am glad that you didn't have kids.

You don't deserve them.


47 posted on 02/28/2006 5:36:14 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: caver

So true. I work with women in there 30's and they act like they just graduated high school. Bars, concerts, living off of mommy, have to have a man even if he is a loser, ect ect. Truly sad to watch them age and yet the mind is that of a teenager. To each his own if you don't want kids that’s fine.


48 posted on 02/28/2006 5:36:18 AM PST by angcat
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To: wgflyer
Many of us don't want kids because, aside from personal absorption, we don't feel up to raising them in such a liberal social climate where many high school graduates can't place the civil war in the correct half century or find a word in a dictionary.

That's where it is up to us, the conservative parents, to raise kids who are aware of our country's history, who CAN read, write, and do some math, so that they can take on positions of responsbility in this country when they're adults.

49 posted on 02/28/2006 5:37:47 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: bella1
Europe was once overwhelmingly Christian and Christians have children.

Ask the pope. He has no children either and is for sure Christian. Christians do not have to have children nessecarily.

Soon it will be overwhelmingly Muslim as the dominant religion through immigration and birth rate, and the world is witnessing the results that brings.

Muslim immigration has nearly come to an end. Most "new" muslims who come to Europe are brides that marry European muslim men. Why? Because they are submissive. The muslim girls who grew up in Europe adapted large parts of the European way of living. They are not obedient anymore. The next thing is that they found out -just like their Christian sisters- about the anti-baby-pill. Although it is true that muslim families usually have more kids than native European ones, we are talking about the question if a woman has 1, 2 or 3 kids. Larger families are extremely seldom since muslim men and women also like to live in wealth. Having many kids means to be poor.

In the Old Testament, one of the first commands given by God was to "be fruitful and multiply and replenish the Earth". Those who heed that will rule; those who don't will be ruled over.

It is indeed true that religion as a whole doesn't play a large role in the political and social life of Europe anymore. It is a private matter. To tell you the truth: We are dealing with this situation since the beginning 70ties and we are doing fine.

People who are talking about "Eurarabia" are usually not very well informed. Europe indeed has a problem with things like the recent cartoon discussion. The solution to such stuff is quite simple: We have to kick those out, who refuse to arrange themselves with our system. I like the recent developments since they will trigger a much harder actions on those Muslims who want to damage our society. Anyway - any panic about Eurarabia is BS.

Europe needs immigration from educated and intelligent people. I absolutely do not care about their religion as long as they behave.

50 posted on 02/28/2006 5:39:50 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: beaversmom

I have a sister who feels the same way. She is a 46 year old orthodontist who hates children. She fulfills any needs by having relatives with children come visit her then she sends them home. I think she may regret it in a few years when she can no longer have the choice to have her own children. That time is coming quicker. I guess the results will come forward soon enough.


51 posted on 02/28/2006 5:40:23 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: wtc911

Hehe! The election for the new miss universum can begin.


52 posted on 02/28/2006 5:41:22 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: MaDuce
rE # 13...(Do it to them, before they do it to you!)

Your tag comment speaks volumes about you...

53 posted on 02/28/2006 5:41:43 AM PST by pop-gun
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To: bella1

I couldn’t disagree more. Hardly a day goes by where I don’t wish my mother hadn’t had me. I’m pretty ugly and being ugly just sucks. Though even under the best of circumstances, life largely consists of pain, setbacks, disappointment and regret, watching you body corrode beneath you and then party ends with death. To top it off, unless I obey as set of rules I never agree to, I can look forward to spending eternity being tortured to an extent and degree beyond my imagination.

Wow, life really is a “gift.”


54 posted on 02/28/2006 5:44:41 AM PST by ElTianti
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To: Draco
Are you saying because there are childless heterosexual couples that that gives homosexuals the right to marry?

It certainly undermines the claim of exclusivity for heterosexuals based on promoting children. And, OK, maybe I shouldn't have said marriage. How about civil unions?

And what does homosexuality have to do with this? Well, I read a good number of posts lately that disclaim on the evils of homosexuals in the context of the same-sex marriage question. Some really over the top. And since I often equate homosexuality to sterility, and since this article is about sterility, well, there you go. It’s like some posts above bringing in Islam and declining birth rates of Westerners. They are not directly linked to the article’s topic, but they are not random either.

And here's another homosexual tangent to the article: Suppose one of these lifestyle sterile women gets pregnant.

“Oh dear,” says she. “I’ll just pop down to Dr. Death’s Abattoir for Lifestyle Sterility and get this unviable tissue mass taken care of, before it ruins my figure. Lord, I don’t want some other sap to foist my hopes on. I’d be a terrible parent anyway.”

Now the woman has neighbors, two men living in conjugal sin. They tell her, “Darling, nothing can ruin your figure, because you never had one in the first place. Look we have been saving for that beautiful yacht, but we cannot condone killing an innocent baby just because you like to fool around, aren’t careful, and are so selfish that nothing – not even human life – can come between you and your pathetic, mortal hopes. We’ll financially support you through your pregnancy, compensate you for your year of giving up your lifestyle, and then we’ll adopt the baby. You don’t have to foist your hopes on no one. We’ll foist our hopes on this 'some other sap,' as you so selflessly call it.”

See, I just connected the article to gay adoption.

55 posted on 02/28/2006 5:44:52 AM PST by chinche
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To: Atlantic Bridge
I believe everyone has a right to decide for or against children. I find it interesting that many of the advocates I read about are younger woman, whose careers are peaking and who are active climbing the corporate ladder. I'd be interested in hearing the perspective of older woman on the issue.

Recently, my mother was hospitalized for breast cancer. Her best friend was visiting her in the hospital at the same time I was there. She was childless, and like my mother in her early 70's.

As we sat there, she burst out crying and when I inquired as to what the problem was, she wondered who would be there for her in the end. I was filled with pity at her despair.
56 posted on 02/28/2006 5:45:03 AM PST by IndyPatriot
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To: bella1
Could you have imagined 20 years ago that there would be rioting over cartoons and murdering of film makers in Europe over "insulting" Mohammad?

The situation here in Germany was not very different in 1986 to the situation today. The number of our muslim populace was nearly the same. We already had large Kurdish demonstrations in Germany at that time. When a Dutch entertainer (Rudi Carell) made some jokes about Khomeini (his picture was shown in a mountain of sexy underwear - very funny) we had quite simular reactions from the Iranians. They demonstrated in front of our embassy and threatened Carell.

57 posted on 02/28/2006 5:49:41 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: IndyPatriot

I guess I qualify as an "older woman", since I'm 50 and my decision not to have children can't be changed at this point (even if I wanted to change it).

We're all alone in the end, of course. The question is, if we don't have children, does that mean we have no family? I don't think so. I have such good friends, of various ages - I'll be at their deathbed, and some will be at mine.

Having children is no guarantee they will be close to you. My mother in law has two sons; if either one is at her deathbed, it will not be voluntarily or from any sense of actual love. She did not form that relationship with them when it counted, and it assuredly does not exist now.


58 posted on 02/28/2006 5:53:24 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: beaversmom
"'I'm uncomfortable with the physical changes of pregnancy and labour,' she admits."

I'm sure glad I'm a guy :)
59 posted on 02/28/2006 5:55:06 AM PST by grjr21
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To: IndyPatriot
As we sat there, she burst out crying and when I inquired as to what the problem was, she wondered who would be there for her in the end. I was filled with pity at her despair.

This is the sad end of living without kids and it is not just a problem of the women anymore. My children are the footprints I will leave on this planet. Although I am quite religious I find it consoling that a very personal part of me will remain here to continue where I have ended.

60 posted on 02/28/2006 5:56:41 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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