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The Michelangelo code: The genius of the Sistine Chapel was rude, puerile and a tad pornographic
Times Online UK ^ | March 5, 2006 | Waldemar Januszczak

Posted on 03/18/2006 4:40:46 AM PST by billorites

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To: billorites

Here we see a talented author so suffused in his petty spite that damning with faint praise is not near enough, no, he finds it necessary to shout it to the very heavens above.


61 posted on 03/18/2006 1:51:31 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Ditter

All the famous people were gay, where's the fun in laying it off on your lazy brother-in-law?


62 posted on 03/18/2006 1:53:16 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: bereanway
Booz
63 posted on 03/18/2006 1:56:04 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Willie Green

Willie Green lecturing on his willie, isn't that famous.


64 posted on 03/18/2006 2:00:09 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Moshikashitara

[fragments of a discussion of righteous outrage regarding
the use of something rumored to be spelled had've]

>>>What makes this usage especially fatuous, to my mind, is that you can't
>>>even spell it (had've?....had of?) ....

>>Because you can't spell it, it's worse? Speaking came before writing,
>>you know.

>Considerably worse. If it were just a solecism that could rationally be
>spelled, then its use would merely indicate ignorance of the correct usage
>(for example, "would've" when the subjunctive "had" should be used). But
>"had've" - presumably short for "had have" or "had of" - is an error that
>can't make any sense at all when reduced to writing, which only highlights
>its total absurdity.

There are lots of words you can't spell (that's a generic you; nothing personal :-) because they're essentially part of the spoken language and haven't received an Official Spelling.
They're frequently contractions of phrases that have become so ossified that they're effectively single words, some nonce forms like whatchamacallit, others hyphenation flamebait like flame-bait, some too naughty to use in ordinary writing, like /jÍz@m/; and a select few that are actual ongoing changes in the grammar of English, like woulda, shoulda, gotta, couldna, wanna, gonna, hafta, usta and the like.

There are some new suffixes and prefixes getting ready to be grammaticalized, and in (what used to be) the normal course of events these would generate some new inflectional morphology for English to replace some of what it lost over the last millenium. Technological society, however, is a totally new environment for language propagation and change, and all bets are off.

One of these new suffixes is apparently what gets spelled variously as -'ve, of, or -a, as in should've, should of, shoulda, representing a pronunciation that loses the /v/ almost all the time in rapid speech (listen to what others actually say for a while and then you'll be ready for the shock of listening to what you say instead of what you think you (ought to) say), coming out as a shwa suffix /-@/.

This seems to be tied up in many people's minds with the subjunctive, which is reasonable because it appears most often with modal auxiliary verbs, the lexical instantiation of modality. I've been puzzling over had've since the first post, but in fact I can't remember encountering it in the affirmative. I have encountered hadn't've or hadna in speech, but only in the negative; I think it's a polarity item.


If you hadn't've gone and insulted him, there wouldn't've been any trouble.
I suspect much of the rancor that greets spellings of had've is compounded by the fact that it's extraordinarily strange in an affirmative context. In a negative context, it's a mimic or variation of the more literate if you hadn't insulted him produced by adding an epenthetic shwa (i.e, one little uh - had-n-a instead of had-n), possibly just to link with the following past participle, and it sounds fairly normal because it sets up a parallelism between the clauses.

/haedn.@/ || /wUdn.@/
hadn't'a || wouldn't'a

This is a Perfective construction; that is, it uses -- or overuses -- the perfective auxiliary have. Like the perfect, the English subjunctive is ripe for such a restructuring. We have occasions where we'd like to use it, like speakers of any language, but what's left of the English subjunctive morphology is close enough to useless that many people don't bother with it, or misunderstand it when they hear it used, or read it. Certainly they're not taught about it in school. So they go with what they know.

What other choice do they have? After all, they're alive and so is the language they're speaking. And this is not a mere metaphor. There's no such thing as a mere metaphor.

It's not entirely clear whether we speak a language or it speaks us.




- John Lawler Linguistics Department and Residential College University of Michigan



"Language is the most massive and inclusive art we know, a - Edward Sapir
mountainous and anonymous work of unconscious generations."


65 posted on 03/18/2006 2:04:10 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: MineralMan

Working real hard to remain an atheist, wre we?


66 posted on 03/18/2006 2:06:23 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

"Working real hard to remain an atheist, wre we?"

Well, if you left out an "e", those days were the days when I was working really hard to stay a believer.

If you substituted a "w" for an "a", then no, it's not hard. I find the scriptures of all religions interesting now. I'm not trying to memorize them anymore, though. Nobody's handing out cool plaques like they were when I was 16. Odd that that was enough to convince me of the value of memorizing the four Gospels. Ah, well...it still serves me in good stead occasionally.


67 posted on 03/18/2006 2:26:52 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

As usual, I saw that "w" just as the screen was clearing after hitting "post."

You answered my question so to answer yours, the stinking "a" key and the "w" key are too close together for my clumsy fingers.


68 posted on 03/18/2006 3:13:11 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
Willie Green lecturing on his willie, isn't that famous.

Nah... I don't post THAT kind of personal information on the internet...
besides, if I did, it would render Michelangelo's depiction of penile perfection as flawed and immature...
No... such things are best left to the imagination...

69 posted on 03/18/2006 3:27:33 PM PST by Willie Green (Throw the bums out!!! ............ALL OF THEM.)
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To: VOA; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ...

We let Satan target for us. We committed a terrible crime, killing innocent men, women and children. It was a Cathedral, not a military target. Satanic.


70 posted on 03/18/2006 3:31:29 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: billorites

the first paragraph is a real show-stoppper. If the writer's intent was to alienate, job well done.


71 posted on 03/18/2006 3:34:04 PM PST by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
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To: manwiththehands
Stopped reading after this.

Me Too. What a Silly Goose.

72 posted on 03/18/2006 3:40:54 PM PST by Pompah
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


73 posted on 03/18/2006 3:48:45 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: billorites

Fascinating article- thanks for posting it.

For anyone interested in the era(s) when this remarkable artist lived- The Agony and the Ecstasy (Irving Stone) is required reading.


74 posted on 03/18/2006 3:54:52 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: Old Professer

Lecturing me on my grammar and improper contractions, eh? Lol.

I suppose I should pay more attention to those things.. :)

~Moshi-chan


75 posted on 03/18/2006 5:22:19 PM PST by Moshikashitara (GOD BLESS THE USA! ~Proud to be an American 24/7/365!~ Support our Troops!)
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To: MineralMan

I must have bought an outlet mall edition of the King James translation that I'm looking at. It's spelled "Boaz" in this one. Oh no! They're all misprints...none of them have "Booz". I'll have to try to find an "authorized" King James version, no doubt.


76 posted on 03/18/2006 5:42:41 PM PST by damper99
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To: Moshikashitara

If it were up to a vote, I'd go for it.


77 posted on 03/18/2006 5:45:02 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: MineralMan

My beloved KJV says "Boaz".


78 posted on 03/18/2006 5:56:16 PM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: manwiththehands
"Stopped reading after this ..."

Yup, me, too. And, lo, and behold, right after your post is the "Gay Page Award" rainbow. How did I know that?

79 posted on 03/18/2006 6:02:24 PM PST by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain...)
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To: MineralMan

Didn't he mean Boaz, from the Book of Ruth, if I recall correctly?


80 posted on 03/18/2006 6:04:47 PM PST by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free.)
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