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Hidden Bombs (Extremely Important Article on Immigration)
New York Post ^ | 4/7/2006 | Kris Kobach

Posted on 04/07/2006 5:19:38 AM PDT by GarySpFc

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To: GarySpFc

Bump for later.


181 posted on 04/07/2006 3:30:26 PM PDT by GOPJ ( )
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To: philetus
Most of the repubs are complicit in this too. If you don't know that already, you're naive.

If you don't know what RINO means, then you're naive.

182 posted on 04/07/2006 3:30:35 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: Prince Charles

I know what RINO means.
The RINO's aren't the only repub carpetbaggers who are traitors.


183 posted on 04/07/2006 3:51:57 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Have you read this article? It is an eye opener of the powers that be regarding our immigration policies. Totally unreal!!!!!!!!!And very disturbing!!!!!!


184 posted on 04/07/2006 4:27:49 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: GarySpFc; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Borax Queen; Travis McGee; HiJinx; Spiff; Czar; ...





185 posted on 04/07/2006 5:02:49 PM PDT by devolve ( upload to free imagehosts Photobucket & Imagecave)
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To: Mr. K

"There should be a law that states no new legislation should be more than 10 pages long and ONLY refer to the item at issue"

And who will pass it? Congress? BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!


186 posted on 04/07/2006 5:10:39 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: devolve

187 posted on 04/07/2006 5:14:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: devolve

Very impressive post!


188 posted on 04/07/2006 5:16:20 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

"I'm not sure why I, as a limited-government conservative, wouldn't support measures which pass decision-making down to the states. In general we like to do this, and only get involved when a state law could impact other states adversely (like gay marriage). What would you all say to assuage my guilt on this matter?"

We are FEDERALLY funding these schools via subsidies through student loans and grants. Schools may not ban ROTC recruiters from campus as a result of their subsidy by the federal government, because it makes sense that if the fed is paying for a school it ought to reciprocally be accessible to them. Why would it be inappropriate to say that schools must also comply with other federal law (i.e., not discriminating against Americans by letting illegals evade restrictions Americans can't)? I concur that there is a degree of federal encroachment, but so long as there are student loans already encroaching on state prerogatives, there should be a responsibility on the part of the schools to meet federal standards.

How was that? Feel any better?


189 posted on 04/07/2006 5:17:12 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: La Enchiladita

Thanks LE!


190 posted on 04/07/2006 5:27:39 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: GarySpFc
Like that surprise hidden on page 302 - which would replace the country's entire bench of experienced immigration judges with pro-immigration advocates.

Rotten bastards...

191 posted on 04/07/2006 5:32:56 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: GarySpFc

Durbin and people like him should be tarred and feathered.


192 posted on 04/07/2006 5:41:20 PM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: texastoo; Paul Ross

This is a very disturbing article in that these kinds of hidden catastrophes occur in nearly all legislation.

We need a media and press that is on the side of the American people, not the globalists, who will help to publish this information so everyone can know the deceits of Washington and Congress.

We need to repeal the 1996 telecommunications act so that ownership of our media becomes domestic again, and not international. The internationalists have no love of American freedom and they have used this devastating Act to buy our media outlets and use them to propogandize against us.


193 posted on 04/07/2006 5:50:28 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Prince Charles
Like that surprise hidden on page 302 - which would replace the country's entire bench of experienced immigration judges with pro-immigration advocates.

Sickening beyond belief. The Rats and RINOs who tried to pass off this crap should be horsewhipped.

Perhaps.

But most likely, they'll merely get reelected.

And they know it.

They figure they OWN the votes of "the base" -- they know that if people get too "uppity", all they have to do is go, "Boo! What are you gonna do, elect Hillary?" -- and "the base" will line up, hold their noses, and once again, vote "R".

The game is SO rigged...

194 posted on 04/07/2006 7:17:22 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: ZULU
Well, they'd probably at least charge them for coming over the border and blow them away if they didn't pay.

Show of hands -- does anyone REALLY believe that any illegal alien will be required to pay a $2000 fine before being given the goods (citizenship)?

I'm betting that what'll happen is that when they finally manage to finish fine-tuning this turd, and shoving it down our throats, there'll be a little clause buried on page 435 saying that they "have" to pay the $2,000 fine, "or, upon affirmation of economic hardship, promise to complete an equivalent amount of public service."

Notice the abundant weasel-words, i.e., they won't need to PROVE "economic hardship" -- they will only have to make a statement of "affirmation" (i.e., they have to SAY so). And, they won't need to do any "public service" -- they will merely need to "promise" to do it. And, of course, note the total absence of any enforcement to ensure that they perform it -- or, penalty if they don't.

THIS is how the Rape of America will be culminated. NWIH are we going to "coerce" our "valued guests" to "suffer economic harship". Hell, if right f'n now, they came to MY door and said "Pay $6,000 for your family, or leave the country", I'd have to ask for directions to the bus station. And I was born here nearly 60 years ago. Of course, MY income is, um, "impinged" by having to finance our "valued guests".

Speaking of which, how'd y'all like that presto-chango? Wasn't it amazing the way one minute, we're talking about a "guest worker plan", so that Mexicans can come here to pick lettuce, and then GO HOME -- and the next minute, we are talking about an expedited CITIZENSHIP program for tens of millions of illegal aliens?

Wow.

If nothing else, we now know what it was really about from the start. "Guest workers" had nothing to do with it. That was just the pretext used, to allow them to get "the issue" front and center, so that they could jam this abortion of a "reform" up our collective bung.

Goodbye, America.
¡Hola Amexica!

195 posted on 04/07/2006 7:30:20 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe

Es Verdad!!


196 posted on 04/07/2006 7:56:23 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Don Joe; hedgetrimmer
The game is SO rigged...

We somehow need to unrig it. It looks like we need to get these bills and divide the pages and research them ourselves. I have faith that we can get this news out to the American people. Actually, this is an old Clinton ploy as this was released on a Friday. Do any of you think this article had anything to do with the cloture vote today?

197 posted on 04/07/2006 8:22:09 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: hipaatwo
I'm so glad this thing is just about dead. How can anyone pass a 500 page bill within 24 hours of it's writing I'll never know.

They had lots of practice. Ever hear of "The Patriot Act"?

For that gem, they didn't even bother to debate, let alone read it! They just took it, and voted it in, just like that.

Contrast this with the painfully protracted "debate" over the stuff regarding Terri Schindler. While dragging it out, arguing over every jot and tittle -- crossing their fingers and hoping she'd just die already to let them off the hook -- they gave us nauseatingly sanctimonious crap about how they had to go over every aspect of it with a fine-toothed comb, because they had an obligation to protect the Constitution.

I swear, a bigger, bolder, and more arrogant lot of hypocrites the world has never seen. And we call them "leaders", feh!

198 posted on 04/07/2006 8:31:13 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Gritty
Somebody needs to hang for this abomination...

Looks like that would be "us", n'est ce pas?

As to the founders and the generations of heros who bled and died to preserve the republic, I guess we can just consider them as "pre-hung."

Oh, swinging in the next noose next to us... that's the Constitution.

199 posted on 04/07/2006 8:33:03 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: TruthNtegrity; Robert A. Cook, PE
The (R)'s finally got a spine and realized that passing this thing without attachments was the most dangerous thing that could happen.

Don't kid yourself. It's just a "strategic retreat". They'll be back, once they perceive that the heat's off, and then they'll finish the job. They have NO intention of letting this one slip by.

They'll do with this exactly what they did with "Know Your Customer", "Total Information Awareness", and countless other atrocities that moved "We The People" to stand up and said "NO!" They will bide their time, wait until things "cool down", and then quietly slip it in when no one's looking -- with a different title, and maybe as an amendment, buried deep in some unrelated bill - in a "boring" part that no one will read, until it's too late.

It's how sausage is made.

200 posted on 04/07/2006 8:36:52 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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