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Illegal Immigration: The Real Root of the Problem
Breakpoint with Charles Colson ^ | 11 April 06 | Charles Colson

Posted on 04/11/2006 7:58:58 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback

Americans have witnessed over the past two days the largest public protest since the Vietnam War: millions marching to protest Congress’s failure last week to enact immigration reform. So many immigrants left their jobs to parade that many businesses in major cities were shut down.

The immigration issue is a classic illustration of the irresistible force meeting the immovable object. The immovable object is, of course, the need to uphold the rule of law in dealing with immigration. But the irresistible force is the economy. Removing all the illegal immigrants in our society would deal a death blow to our economy. This is going to take a Solomonesque solution, something Congress is not very often able to provide.

Look at the economy first: If you could find and deport every undocumented alien in America, you would go to the grocery store next week and find the shelves bare. Without immigrant workers, we could not harvest crops. Just as happened yesterday, service industries everywhere would be shut down. With unemployment at a five-year low of 4.7 percent and with 200,000 new jobs added to the economy last month, there is simply a shortage of workers in much of America.

Yet while we need immigrant workers to keep the economy going, we are tolerating them at the expense of the rule of law. Once you discover that you have 11 million illegal aliens in your midst, you cannot in fairness grant amnesty. If these new alien workers are going to be assimilated into American life, they have got to understand that we live according to the rule of law. By allowing them to continue to work as undocumented aliens, we are telling them that we really don’t care about the law; that we just want them here to use them as our slaves in our agricultural fields so we can eat cheaply.

As Christians, we add a third dimension to this. We are told to welcome aliens and strangers in our midst—no matter how they got here—which is why so many churches are rallying to support the immigrants.

But what’s the root of the problem? Why do we have a shortage of workers? Aha, that’s the unspeakable “A” word that the elite dread the most: abortion.

The reason we must allow millions of illegal aliens in to fill these jobs is because we have murdered a generation that would otherwise be filling them: 40 million sacrificed since 1973 to the god of self-fulfillment. And Americans are barely maintaining a replacement-level birthrate of 2.1 children per woman.

Remember the compassionate stuff that the abortionists used to tell us: “We are just preventing these poor kids from growing up in deprived, impoverished circumstances”? Hah! False. What happens is that others come in from abroad to live in those deprived, difficult, and impoverished circumstances and at great public cost.

I hope the politicians will have the courage to face this issue in a way that does not undermine the American economy, shows compassion to those in our midst, and restores the rule of law. At the same time, you and I can contend to restore the culture of life, because it is the culture of death that has put us in this mess today.

Is there a solution? Sure. Seal the borders, which you have got to do with terrorists out there anyway, insist the workers we have welcomed in our midst file and comply with appropriate immigration laws, and—oh yeah—stop killing our children.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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To: xzins
I see you are a retired Army chaplain and you mentioned the abortion issue.

As a Catholic, I am wondering why ANY Catholic would vote for a Democratic candidate who is Pro-choice?

The Illegals are for the most part, Catholic and our Cardinals and Bishops are supporting them. Yet, they will vote for Democrats, which is hypocritical and self serving.

Your thoughts?

sw

21 posted on 04/11/2006 8:50:55 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Mr. President, build that wall)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Now, if these 20 million or so are allowed to stay, under the current immigration regime, they can bring their family members.

I'm not suggesting that at all. If the regime has to be changed, then so beit. I'm saying the only way to do this is to draw an immovable line in the sand and SEAL the border and have a no-questions-asked-back-to-Mexico policy for people who try to migrate here illegally after a one-year amnesty. Essentially, capping it here.

There is not a single practical way to get 20 million people to just leave the country. It's not possible unless you want Nazi-esque boxcars headed to El Paso. If they ARE here, and we CAN'T send them all back, why not start making them pay taxes as STEP ONE to citizenship?

I have a question for you. What is your opinion on abortion when it comes to pregnant illegal immigrant women? Think about that for a second or two and then tell me these people are just worthless.

Unless we allow these people to achieve citizenship - and if we can't deport them all - we're going to have a subculture akin to the Muslims in Paris. That will do more damage to our society than any number of illegal immigrants picking lettuce at minimum wage.

22 posted on 04/11/2006 8:58:50 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever
It's not possible unless you want Nazi-esque boxcars headed to El Paso.

This is a lie. Your comment is meant to invoke ill will against Americans who want their laws enforced by comparing them to monsters.
23 posted on 04/11/2006 9:02:47 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Mr. Silverback

The main reason I see, although there is many, is SCAB labor! Yesterday,for the fist time, I agreed with a comment Imus said. When asking his kids baby sitter/nurse for a recommendation for her replacement said she knew of no person that would work for him because nobody would work off the books. If legals or illegals work for less, not have to pay taxes and ship money back to MEXICO,then why not. Also it is cheaper for them as they don't pay for health,car,house insurance or drivers license. M1`-A2's Dad


24 posted on 04/11/2006 9:03:06 AM PDT by M1-A2 ( "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown)
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To: spectre
In my view, the Declaration says it well: "endowed us with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

I don't think they accidentally put Life first.

If that right doesn't exist, then all the others are meaningless and go by the wayside. Therefore, I don't see pro-life as being single issue.

I see pro-Life as being pro-Rights....all of them.

25 posted on 04/11/2006 9:07:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: hedgetrimmer

The emperor has no clothes. Explain how to round up twenty million people and deport them in an orderly fashion. All I'm saying is, it's been done before, and that's how it was done. No lies, just truth. If it makes you uncomfortable, so be it. But instead of reacting with just emotion, accept reality and find a solution that can be achieved without turning people into human garbage.


26 posted on 04/11/2006 9:15:53 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: xzins
Thank you for your reply.

But it remains my opinion that if MY Catholic church is going to stick it's nose into politics, they should go all the way and make it a matter of good conscience to vote "prolife".

I realize I put you in a bad situation, since speaking out against the Catholic church might not be in your own best interest..so I do apologize for that..

sw

27 posted on 04/11/2006 9:20:09 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Mr. President, build that wall)
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To: vik

"While 3 percent of unauthorized workers are employed in agriculture, 33 percent have jobs in service industries and substantial shares can be found in construction and extractive occupations (16%) and in production, installation and repair (17%).

"http://pewhispanic.org/newsroom/releases/release.php?ReleaseID=33

So much for GWB's claim that illegals are doing jobs Americans won't.


28 posted on 04/11/2006 9:24:37 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Explain how to round up twenty million people and deport them in an orderly fashion

If you begin to enforce the LAW, and actually make people who are breaking it suffer the consequence, they will leave willingly and all by themselves. Its very clear that if the penalty for being here is greater than the illegals want to pay, they will no longer consider it a viable choice to remain. The penalty of course, is no rewards for their behavior like jobs and taxpayer funded benefits, but fines and incarceration. It has been done, and in a quite orderly fashion in other countries. Your fixation on the idea that Americans who support enforcement of the rule of law are nazis, is offensive.

I'll bet you wouldn't want to be caught as a single driver in an HOV lane, it can cost you a hefty amount of money if you're caught, so the fine acts as a deterrent. Why shouldn't aliens who are breaking the law have to pay as well? Or do you only believe in "social justice" and not equal justice?

Peaceful self deportation has been used in several countries in the last few years. Are you saying that America is so incompetent that we cannot do the same? How did you get such an idea?
29 posted on 04/11/2006 9:26:23 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Explain how to round up twenty million people and deport them in an orderly fashion.

Well, let's try a multi-pronged approach:

End anchor babies - remove the incentive to come here and have a child so the kid can have citizenship.

As part of a larger reform program, allow those here illegal to leave within 180 days and register in the process. Anyone who leaves voluntarily will be eligible to apply to return a year later through the normal legal channels.

Crack down on hiring illegals - make it much more difficult for them to have jobs.

Prohibit using tax funds for educating illegals. Also deny all but emergency care benefits to illegals.

And then offer them a bus ride, with meals, if they wish to go back.

The better ones will self-deport. The ones who don't are the ones you need to forcibly deport.

30 posted on 04/11/2006 9:30:02 AM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: Tripleplay

Don't forget the other illegals that Teddy K. supports: The Irish.


31 posted on 04/11/2006 9:32:43 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Rutles4Ever

Don't fall for the warm, fuzzy empty rhetoric from the change agents and other assorted useful idiots from the MSM wailing about "trying to deport all these people".

If they're here "just to work" why are they costing us billions in welfare? If they're here "just to find a better life" then why won't they learn English, assimilate and develope some useful skills.......could it be they're here to COLONIZE?

The nonsense about employers "desperately needing workers" is another load of crap because everyone with half a brain knows many of them are using illegals to EVADE payroll taxes and pay SUBSTANDARD wages because they know the taxpayers will be socked for paying many of their employee's living expenses.

This is truly a recipe for national suicide and I maintain if we can get the welfare cut they'll deport themselves.


32 posted on 04/11/2006 9:32:52 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: Mr. Silverback
The immovable object is, of course, the need to uphold the rule of law in dealing with immigration.

Not anymore, it isn't.

33 posted on 04/11/2006 9:34:54 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Rutles4Ever

ah.... noooooooooo it doesn't make sense. Who would sign up for that deal? not a single illegal invader!

Solution: Close the border and fence it (just like India/Pakistan), then give them to 12/31 to sell stuff and self deport like the Pakistanis in NY post 9/11, then arrest them and deport them using all the planes mothballed in Arizona, then fine and jail every employer that can be shown to hire illegals without using the 800# SS check, then deny them the school, medical and welfare benefits unless citizens, and we will have them out in 3 years, and that's not bad since it took 20 years to get the 20 million with most coming after Gorge Boosh was elected in 2000...
does that make more sense?


34 posted on 04/11/2006 9:44:47 AM PDT by christynsoldier (FACTA, NON VERBA ( Deeds , Not Words))
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To: Mr. Silverback

"Removing all the illegal immigrants in our society would deal a death blow to our economy."

chuck you're a moron. How does bring in illegal aliens with no skills and no education improve America? If low lifes like this "make" an economy why isn't mexico a booming economic operation?


35 posted on 04/11/2006 9:45:02 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Everyday brings a new reason to distrust Hillary Clinton.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
But what’s the root of the problem?

1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is a root of all [kinds of] evil.

36 posted on 04/11/2006 9:50:55 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !! BUILD THE WALL! PROTECT OUR BORDERS!)
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To: hedgetrimmer

yes


37 posted on 04/11/2006 10:43:50 AM PDT by reflecting
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To: christynsoldier
ah.... noooooooooo it doesn't make sense. Who would sign up for that deal? not a single illegal invader!

That's my point. If they reject amnesty, they're saying they're not interested in becoming citizens. They have to take it or they have no moral ground whatsoever to stand on. Either you have the identification by the drop-dead-date, or you don't. If not, you're gone.

38 posted on 04/11/2006 10:49:17 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: christynsoldier

So will you be dragging all these screaming women and children from their homes and hustling them onto planes to deport them? Be realistic.


39 posted on 04/11/2006 11:09:37 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: jmaroneps37
How does bring in illegal aliens with no skills and no education improve America? If low lifes like this "make" an economy why isn't mexico a booming economic operation?

That's right. And we should have sealed the borders at the turn of the 20th century instead of letting all those filthy, unskilled, illiterate immigrants from Europe into the country. It was all downhill from there.

40 posted on 04/11/2006 11:15:16 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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