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Rebutting Darwinists: (Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in God)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 04/15/2006 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 04/15/2006 11:44:16 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Rebutting Darwinists

Posted: April 15, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

I suggested here last week that the established authorities of every age act consistently. They become vigilantly militant against non-conforming dissidents who challenge their assumptions.

Thus when the dissident Galileo challenged the assumptions of the 17th century papacy, it shut him up. Now when the advocates of "intelligent design" challenge the scientific establishment's assumptions about "natural selection," it moves aggressively to shut them up. So the I.D. people have this in common with Galileo.

I received a dozen letters on this, three in mild agreement, the rest in scorn and outrage. This calls for a response.

Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

I could have gone further. A survey last year by Rice University, financed by the Templeton Foundation, found that about two-thirds of scientists believed in God. A poll published by Gallup in 1997 asked: Do you believe that "man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation?" – essentially the I.D. position. Just under 40 percent of scientists said yes. So perhaps my 10 percent was far too low.

Two readers called my attention to a discovery last week on an Arctic island of something which may be the fossil remains of the mysteriously missing "transitional species." Or then maybe it isn't transitional. Maybe it's a hitherto undetected species on its own.

But the very exuberance with which such a discovery is announced argues the I.D. case. If Darwin was right, and the change from one species to another through natural selection occurred constantly in millions of instances over millions of years, then the fossil record should be teaming with transitional species. It isn't. That's why even one possibility, after many years of searching, becomes front-page news.

Another letter complains that I.D. cannot be advanced as even a theory unless evidence of the nature of this "Divine" element is presented. But the evidence is in nature itself. The single cell shows such extraordinary complexity that to suggest it came about by sheer accident taxes credulity. If you see a footprint in the sand, that surely evidences human activity. The demand – "Yes, but whose footprint is it?"– does not disqualify the contention that somebody was there. "Nope," says the establishment, "not until you can tell us who it was will we let you raise this question in schools."

Another reader argues that Galileo stood for freedom of inquiry, whereas I.D. advocates want to suppress inquiry. This writer apparently did not notice what caused me to write the column. It was the rejection by a government agency for a $40,000 grant to a McGill University anti-I.D. lobby to suppress the presentation and discussion of I.D. theory in the Canadian schools. Suppressing discussion is an odd way of encouraging "freedom of inquiry." Anyway, the I.D. movement doesn't want to suppress evolution. It merely wants it presented as a theory, alongside the I.D. theory.

Why, asked another reader, did I not identify the gutsy woman who stated the reason for the rejection, bringing upon herself the scorn of scientific authority. That's fair. Her name is Janet Halliwell, a chemist and executive vice president of the Social Science and Humanities Research Council. She said that evolution is a theory, not a fact, and the McGill application offered no evidence to support it.

The McGill applicant was furious. Evolution, he said, needs no evidence. It's fact. Apparently Harvard University doesn't quite agree with him. The Boston Globe reports that Harvard has begun an expensive project to discover how life emerged from the chemical soup of early earth. In the 150 years since Darwin, says the Globe, "scientists cannot explain how the process began."

The most sensible letter came from a research scientist. "I think that the current paradigm of evolution by natural selection acting on random variation will change," he writes. "I think that evidence will accumulate to suggest that much of the genetic variation leading to the evolution of life on earth was not random, but was generated by biochemical processes that exhibit intelligent behavior."

Then he urges me not to disclose his identity. Saying this publicly would threaten his getting tenure, he fears. Galileo would understand.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevo; crevolist; darwinism; darwinists; evoidiots; evolutionistmorons; god; id; idjunkscience; ignoranceisstrength; intelligentdesign; scientists; youngearthcultists
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To: Junior

I already pinged him :)


21 posted on 04/15/2006 12:05:48 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: Alter Kaker
Clearly you failed grammar. "Selection" is a noun. "Select" is a verb.

I stand corrected, but my question still stands. SELECTION implies "select". Who selected ? Or What selected ?
22 posted on 04/15/2006 12:06:14 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
So, you're saying that random mutation is not an accident ?

No, I'm not saying that.

By definition, a random mutation is an accident.

But the implication that a cell appeared because of a single accident is absurd.

23 posted on 04/15/2006 12:06:29 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Junior; SirLinksalot
Accepting evolution and believing in God are not mutually exclusive.

Yes they are. And the word "selection" is a verb (See #12). Sir Linksalot has entered the world of bizarre self-parody.

24 posted on 04/15/2006 12:06:43 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Junior

Ping received.


25 posted on 04/15/2006 12:07:45 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Dog Gone
Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

Astounding leap of logic.

Well, since 90% of scientists are atheists and since Darwinists believe the scientists would it be that far of a stretch to believe that 90% of Darwinists are also atheists.

26 posted on 04/15/2006 12:08:00 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: SirLinksalot
I stand corrected, but my question still stands. SELECTION implies "select". Who selected ? Or What selected ?

No it doesn't, I answered your question. The environment and potential sexual partners each select.

27 posted on 04/15/2006 12:08:45 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: SirLinksalot

An honest poll of scientists would be limited to those who qualified in areas of biology and biochemistry and have actually studied evolution, or have at least had graduate level classes in population genetics.

An honest poll would limit choices to those being examined by science. That would include the conjectures of Behe, Dembski and Shapiro. I would actually be interested in the results of such a poll. Too bad no one else is.


28 posted on 04/15/2006 12:12:18 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: Junior
As The Clergy Letter Project indicates, over 10,000 clergymen have signed on to a statement that says:
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.
In addition to those 10,000, here is a link to Statements from Religious Organizations, a list of Christian and Jewish denominations, including Roman Catholics, that accept (or at least don't dispute) evolution. There is also the recent statement opposing creationism by the Archbishop of Canterbury, leader of the 70-million-member Anglican Communion.

Clergymen are usually not scientists; therefore their opinions (whether pro or con) have no special significance regarding the scientific validity of evolution. What the above-referenced opinions do indicate is that for all of these clergymen and their denominations, evolution is compatible with religion.

Some religious denominations don't agree with those described above. In addition to those Christian denominations that follow a literal reading of scripture, a partial list of others that reject evolution would include the Unification Church (Rev. Sun Myung Moon): Darwinism: Why I Went for a Second Ph.D., by Jonathan Wells , Islam: Why Muslims Should Support Intelligent Design, By Mustafa Akyol, and the Raelians.

What this tells us is that evolution is a matter of dispute among various religious denominations, not a scientific controversy. Therefore, it is inappropriate for public school science classes to be involved in this issue.

29 posted on 04/15/2006 12:13:06 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Cicero

"It's par for the course that "established" scientists hate it when new theories are proposed."

ID is old and fossilized. The theory of evolution is the newer claim.


30 posted on 04/15/2006 12:13:41 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Echo Talon

"Well, since 90% of scientists are atheists and since Darwinists believe the scientists would it be that far of a stretch to believe that 90% of Darwinists are also atheists."

Except for the fact that most people who accept evolution are in the USA are Christian.


31 posted on 04/15/2006 12:15:06 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: SirLinksalot
Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in God

Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in Global Warming

32 posted on 04/15/2006 12:15:33 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"... are in the USA are Christian."

I mangled that sentence. lol
33 posted on 04/15/2006 12:15:46 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: SirLinksalot
"Now when the advocates of "intelligent design" challenge the scientific establishment's assumptions about "natural selection," it moves aggressively to shut them up. So the I.D. people have this in common with Galileo."

ID'ers are such a bunch of whining Drama Queens and professional victims.
34 posted on 04/15/2006 12:17:35 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Alter Kaker
The environment and potential sexual partners each select.

Nope the question still remains these could simply predesigned traits that existed in these sexual partners. "After their own kind" as the book of Genesis would say.

This example you gave Does not undermine Intelligent Design at all.
35 posted on 04/15/2006 12:18:39 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: opinionator
Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in Global Warming

Survey shows 100% of scientists believe in Newton's law of gravity.
36 posted on 04/15/2006 12:19:54 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: Alter Kaker
Accepting evolution and believing in God are not mutually exclusive.


Yes they are.


I also accept evolution and believe in God.

I don't find it mutually exclusive one bit.
37 posted on 04/15/2006 12:20:03 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: SirLinksalot
Nope the question still remains these could simply predesigned traits that existed in these sexual partners. "After their own kind" as the book of Genesis would say. This example you gave Does not undermine Intelligent Design at all.

You didn't ask me to undermine ID, you asked me "who selects" according to the theory of evolution, and I gave you the answer.

38 posted on 04/15/2006 12:20:21 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Except for the fact that most people who accept evolution are in the USA are Christian.

Christians that have be corrupted by atheists?

39 posted on 04/15/2006 12:20:28 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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"Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp."

Not being an atheist doesn't mean you buy into the ID drivel.


40 posted on 04/15/2006 12:20:40 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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