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To: connectthedots

You seem to act as if only the ID/creation ideas alone will be given equal time in the classroom...that is not what this bill is saying...it is allowing for any and all different ideas to be included...ID/creation is only one such idea...there are many other ideas, which have nothing at all to do with the Christian religion...are you also in favor of allowing them equal time? This bill says nothing about ID/creation...it just says that other ideas may be discussed...Do you have any objection to the ideas that come from Native American groups?...do you have any objections to the Moonies, and their creation stories?..there are scores of such groups, all with their own creation stories...do we allow all of them equal time in the classroom?...that seems to be what this bill is saying...

Seems to me, this very vague bill, opens the way for any and all ideas concerning origin the species and 'origin of life"(phrase used in the article)...all views, according to this bill, would need to be given equal time and equal discussion...

ID/creation would be only one among many...does this have your suppport?...are all alternatives to evolution free to be discussed?...I would suggest, there is not enough time in a school day, to accomplish this...


59 posted on 04/28/2006 5:11:22 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom

Personally, I think there is no real need to discuss to spend much time on an evolution v. ID/creation discussion in a science class since it is primarily a subject much more suited for a philosophy class. There are no real practical everyday applications for evolution. For me, one day going over the basic claims of both positions would be sufficient.


68 posted on 04/28/2006 6:04:09 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: andysandmikesmom; connectthedots
Norse Creation Story

In the beginning there was the void. And the void was called Ginnungagap. What does Ginnungagap mean? Yawning gap, beginning gap, gap with magical potential, mighty gap; these are a few of the educated guesses. Along with the void existed Niflheim the land of fog and ice in the north and Muspelheim the land of fire in the south. There seems to be a bit of confusion as to whether or not these existed after Ginnungagap or along side of it from the beginning.

In Niflheim was a spring called Hvergelmir from which the Elivagar (eleven rivers - Svol, Gunnthra, Fiorm, Fimbulthul, Slidr, Hrid, Sylg, Ylg, Vid, Leiptr, and Gioll) flowed. The Elivargar froze layer upon layer until it filled in the northerly portion of the gap. Concurrently the southern portion was being filled by sparks and molten material from Muspelheim.

The mix of fire and ice caused part of the Elivagar to melt forming the figures Ymir the primeval giant and the cow Audhumla. The cow's milk was Ymir's food. While Ymir slept his under arm sweat begat two frost giants, one male one female, while his two legs begat another male.

While Ymir was busy procreating Audhumla was busy eating. Her nourishment came from licking the salty ice. Her incessant licking formed the god Buri. He had a son named Bor who was the father of Odin, Vili, and Ve.

For some reason the sons of Bor decided to kill poor Ymir. His blood caused a flood which killed all of the frost giants except for two, Bergelmir and his wife, who escaped the deluge in their boat.

Odin, Vili, and Ve put Ymir's corpse into the middle of ginnungagap and created the earth and sky from it. They also created the stars, sun, and moon from sparks coming out of Muspelheim.

Finally, the brothers happened upon two logs lying on the beach and created the first two humans Ask [Ash] and Embla [vine?] from them.

(courtesy Coyoteman)

277 posted on 04/30/2006 8:21:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Waiting for a better tag....)
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