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Bill would ban people from smoking while children in the car. (Louisiana legislature lunacy)
KATC TV3 (Lafayette, Louisiana) ^ | 5/5/06 | unknown

Posted on 05/05/2006 6:11:02 AM PDT by BerniesFriend

Bill would ban people from smoking while children in the car

BATON ROUGE, La. -- Parents would have to stub out their cigarettes while their kids are in the car, under a bill headed to the Senate for debate.

The bill would prohibit anyone from lighting up a cigarette, cigar or pipe in a vehicle while a child required to be in a booster seat or car seat is riding along _ a child up to 60 pounds, or up to about eight years old.

The House approved the bill in a 66-31 vote.

Rep. Gary Smith, D-Norco, said he introduced the measure because he wants to prevent health problems that children can have from second hand smoke inhalation. He said children don't get a choice in whose cars they ride.

"I'm just trying to protect those who cannot protect themselves," he said.

Rep. Carla Dartez, D-Morgan City, said the bill infringes upon parents' rights to raise their children.

"I just think you're going a little too far in this Legislature when we can't allow parents of their own children to take care of their own children," she said.

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House Bill 1010 can be found at http://www.legis.state.la.us


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bogusscience; forthechildren; idiocy; pufflist; smoking
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To: CSM; WildHorseCrash
I didn't realize you think that we should ban toxic cleaning chemicals from homes. Why are you advocating that all parents live in filth?

hehe!

51 posted on 05/05/2006 7:38:25 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: WildHorseCrash

"And if parents"

So, your automatic assumption is that smokers "blow smoke in their children's lungs" but when it comes to other toxic items you would want to only take action "if" the children can be proven to be harmed.

This just shows that your rhetoric is emotional, without logic or thought behind it. Much like the loony left's hate Bush platform, when you wish to rule by emotion you have no firm position and decisions are made with the consistency of the wind.

Your emotional rhetoric is an enemy of personal liberty and freedom.


52 posted on 05/05/2006 7:40:07 AM PDT by CSM (I went to the gas station this weekend and it was so popular that I had to wait for a pump. D-Chivas)
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To: SheLion

It was a woman who made this stupid statement. And a parent who smokes around children is not "protecting them" from harm, it is inflicting harm on them.


53 posted on 05/05/2006 7:43:29 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: Raycpa
HHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRREEEEEEE'SSSSSS RAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!

Your rapier wit and informative pictures have almost won me over from the darkside. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!

yOU ARE RIGHTEOUSLY AWWWWWWWWEEEEESOMEEE!!!!!!!!!
54 posted on 05/05/2006 7:44:22 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: WildHorseCrash
Stop all this crap about them "taking care" of them.

That would be a good first start. I have parents, I do not need a government nanny for myself or my child.

Enough is enough with the government interferring in our lives.

At this particular point in time, there are more than likely quite a few more important things for the Louisiana Legislature to be worrying about, wouldn't you agree?

55 posted on 05/05/2006 7:51:08 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: BerniesFriend

Do you think Rush will be all over this today?


56 posted on 05/05/2006 7:51:35 AM PDT by rwa265 (Behold, I am with you always. (Matthew 28:20))
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To: Gabz; SheLion; All

"Rep. Carla Dartez, D-Morgan City, said the bill infringes upon parents' rights to raise their children"

At least she has it right. All this is about is CONTROL. If they can get this far, soon they'll be knockin' on your backdoor.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT TOBACCO. It's a convieient excuse,(because we must protect you from evil tobacco users) to give them a reason to get their foot in the door of your home. "We must protect the children", is code for "we will rule every aspect of your miserable little lives."

And once they're in, they will be harder to get rid of than a colony of cockroaches.


57 posted on 05/05/2006 7:52:12 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: CSM; WildHorseCrash
This just shows that your rhetoric is emotional, without logic or thought behind it. Much like the loony left's hate Bush platform, when you wish to rule by emotion you have no firm position and decisions are made with the consistency of the wind.

Your emotional rhetoric is an enemy of personal liberty and freedom.

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!  IT'S THE SMOKERS FAULT!

Sound familiar?  What side of the fence screams THIS garbage? heh!

58 posted on 05/05/2006 7:53:46 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: WildHorseCrash

It was not a stupid statement - it is a valid gripe that it is not up to the government to control every aspect of everyone's lives.

The adherence to this idea "there outta be a law" is what is dumbing down this country and causing even the most intelligent and sincere amongst us to agree that what government says is best.


59 posted on 05/05/2006 7:54:40 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: CSM
So, your automatic assumption is that smokers "blow smoke in their children's lungs" but when it comes to other toxic items you would want to only take action "if" the children can be proven to be harmed.

Okay, Einstein, I'll explain it to you with small words, so you might understand it. Smoking around children increases their risk of harm. That is a bad thing. We should rightly describe it as "child abuse," but don't out of a misguided notion that it might offend the junkies who like to inhale shit into their lungs. I am opposed to harming children, even if it inconveniences these same drug addicts, on a pragmatic, intellectual and moral basis. Should another action cause similar harm (such as feeding children arsenic, running over them with a car, hitting them with a shovel, or damaging their bodies by using poison for cleaning products), I would oppose these other things for the same pragmatic, intellectual and moral reasons.

60 posted on 05/05/2006 7:55:05 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: Gabz

just wondering....How many of you grew up breathing in cigarette smoke and are still alive????!!!


61 posted on 05/05/2006 7:55:53 AM PDT by annelizly
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To: WildHorseCrash
Okay, Einstein, I'll explain it to you with small words, so you might understand it.

Boy, you sure are an ignorant nasty one, aren't you?  For a FReeper!  CSM can understand a lot more then you might think! Jerk.

62 posted on 05/05/2006 7:57:37 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: annelizly; Gabz
just wondering....How many of you grew up breathing in cigarette smoke and are still alive????!!!

Quite a few of us.  And we are ALL going on the FReeper Cruise!  Yahoo!!!!!!!!!!!

63 posted on 05/05/2006 7:58:44 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: WildHorseCrash; CSM

I am opposed to my kids bull riding a nuclear missle, like Slim Pickens in doctor strangelove. Other than that, I'll decide how to raise my kids, not you, or the miserable government. Hell, the government can't even fix it's own problems, let alone mine.


64 posted on 05/05/2006 8:00:08 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Gabz
I do not need a government nanny for myself or my child.

It has been demonstrated that most smokers see no problem in subjecting their kids to smoke. Some actually think its a healthy thing. Smoker's kids need to be protected from actions coming from this ignorance.

65 posted on 05/05/2006 8:00:31 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: annelizly
How many of you grew up breathing in cigarette smoke and are still alive????!!!

Nearly everyone I know, as a matter of fact........both smokers and non-smokers.

66 posted on 05/05/2006 8:00:34 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: WildHorseCrash

"Smoking around children increases their risk of harm."

Transporting children in automobiles is a greater increase in the risk of harm for children. In addition, explain how the rates of asthma and allergies in children have increased as the smoking rates decrease. Based on that correlation alone, then not smoking around children increases their risk of contracting harmful life long health problems. We better mandate that all parents smoke around their children.

Isn't lifestyle projection great!


67 posted on 05/05/2006 8:00:40 AM PDT by CSM (I went to the gas station this weekend and it was so popular that I had to wait for a pump. D-Chivas)
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To: Gabz
But what is to be done when the parents are the ones doing the harm?

Would you suggest we leave an innocent child with a child-rapist parent?? Can't have the "nanny government" step in...

How about if "mommy dearest" likes to discipline the child by putting her hand to a red-hot stove? Hey, she has a mother, no need for anyone else to get involved...

Or maybe if the parent feeds the kid poison? Oh, wanting to help the kid is just emotionalism. The Legislature has other things to do...

68 posted on 05/05/2006 8:01:08 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: BerniesFriend

It's only the natural progression of a movement based on unfounded science and unbridled arrogance, for, make no mistake about it, the state always feeds on the arrogation of power and wherever power is gained there is a concomitant loss.


69 posted on 05/05/2006 8:01:26 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: SheLion

Not all of us are going on the FReeper cruise.............I do not do cruises. Been there, done that and once was enough.


70 posted on 05/05/2006 8:01:40 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: BerniesFriend

Excellent idea. Nothing worse than having to be around a smoker. What an awful addition. Killing children is not to be found anywhere in the Constitution.


71 posted on 05/05/2006 8:02:05 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: Gabz

It was a stupid statement. The junkies are so hooked on their addiction, they don't care if they hurt their kids, so long as they get their fix.


72 posted on 05/05/2006 8:02:57 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: annelizly; Gabz; SheLion

"just wondering....How many of you grew up breathing in cigarette smoke and are still alive????!!!"

As of 11:01 AM, I am still here.


73 posted on 05/05/2006 8:03:14 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Raycpa
Smoker's kids need to be protected from actions coming from this ignorance.

Let me correct that for you.........

All children need to be protected from actions coming from overzealous fanatics and their ignorance.

There, much better.

74 posted on 05/05/2006 8:03:16 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: Raycpa
"Smoker's kids need to be protected from actions coming from this ignorance."

Tyranny, it's for the chilllllrrrruuuuunnnnnnn.
75 posted on 05/05/2006 8:03:40 AM PDT by CSM (I went to the gas station this weekend and it was so popular that I had to wait for a pump. D-Chivas)
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To: Raycpa; Gabz

"It has been demonstrated that most smokers see no problem in subjecting their kids to smoke. Some actually think its a healthy thing. Smoker's kids need to be protected from actions coming from this ignorance"

Ray, you are one of the most amazing souls I have ever met.

You should become a motivational speaker.
You have changed my life, for the better.
RRRRRRRIIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTTTTTT OONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!


76 posted on 05/05/2006 8:05:26 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: 383rr
I am opposed to my kids bull riding a nuclear missle, like Slim Pickens in doctor strangelove. Other than that, I'll decide how to raise my kids, not you, or the miserable government. Hell, the government can't even fix it's own problems, let alone mine.

All the child-rapist parents are cheering for more people like you in this world...

77 posted on 05/05/2006 8:06:12 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: WildHorseCrash

No one has ever proven that exposure to SHS or ETS causes people harm, even children. Several studies have tried and failed. You only FEEL like it causes harm, therefore you are emotionally charged about the issue.


78 posted on 05/05/2006 8:06:24 AM PDT by CSM (I went to the gas station this weekend and it was so popular that I had to wait for a pump. D-Chivas)
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To: WildHorseCrash

"All the child-rapist parents are cheering for more people like you in this world..."

The mear fact that you have to equate smoking with raping children shows the ludicrousness of your stance. If you had a legitimate argument you wouldn't need to exaggerate to make that point.


79 posted on 05/05/2006 8:08:22 AM PDT by CSM (I went to the gas station this weekend and it was so popular that I had to wait for a pump. D-Chivas)
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To: WildHorseCrash

Why is it that you nanny-statists so enjoy mixing apples and oranges?

Nothing you mention is in anyway in relation to the topic of discussion. Equating parents who smoke with child rapists is beneath contempt, and you should be ashamed of yourself.


80 posted on 05/05/2006 8:09:46 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: BerniesFriend

I think Katrina showed the politicians of Louisiana are not the smartest on the proverbial block.

These are the same people who sat back and argued while thousands of their constituents were maimed and killed.

Then these same idiots had the gall to go crying to the public and blame the president for their stupidity and graft.

All ready the politicians are proving that they can not be trusted with public money.

Before this is over lots of good ole boys (Democrats) will get rich off the backs of the poor black plantation dwellers.


81 posted on 05/05/2006 8:10:21 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: WildHorseCrash
It was a stupid statement.

No, it wasn't. This, OTOH:

The junkies are so hooked on their addiction, they don't care if they hurt their kids, so long as they get their fix.

....is a fine example of a stupid statement.

82 posted on 05/05/2006 8:12:14 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: WildHorseCrash

"Or maybe if the parent feeds the kid poison? Oh, wanting to help the kid is just emotionalism. The Legislature has other things to do"

I believe that is already illegal.

Last I checked, poisoning was murder.




83 posted on 05/05/2006 8:12:30 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: CSM
Transporting children in automobiles is a greater increase in the risk of harm for children.

The difference, of course, being that there is absolutely no benefit to the child derived from the junkie filling his lungs around the kid. So the increase in the risk of harm of an activity with beneficial aspects to it is irrelevant to this question.

In addition, explain how the rates of asthma and allergies in children have increased as the smoking rates decrease. Based on that correlation alone, then not smoking around children increases their risk of contracting harmful life long health problems.

That's the dumbest, most ignorant, illogical, inane and ridiculously stupid statement I've read on FreeRepublic in a while. Holy crap, it's like the perfect storm of mindless idiocy. I mean, you have to be REALLY stupid not to see the fallacy in that statement. (Here's a hint: if other causes of allergies and asthma increase at a greater rate than the rate of smoking decreases, do you think the rate of allergies and asthma would increase, decrease, or remain the same?)

84 posted on 05/05/2006 8:15:23 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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is it just me or does all the politicians in Louisiana seem to have a 'D' by their name?


85 posted on 05/05/2006 8:18:00 AM PDT by Element187
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

We could be related.....


86 posted on 05/05/2006 8:19:16 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: OKIEDOC

Did you know that if you move to Louisiana and go to register your cars, the state of Louisiana requires you to pay the sales tax on your cars AGAIN to them? I'm still in shock over that news!


87 posted on 05/05/2006 8:19:32 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: WildHorseCrash; Raycpa

Oh, oh, catch that buzz, love is the drug, I'm thinking of... Roxy Music

"All the child-rapist parents are cheering for more people like you in this world..."

Yeeeeeeeeeesssssssss!!!! You are learning. I didn't think anyone could inspire me like ray does, but, here you are.

YOU ARE GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!!!!!!!!


88 posted on 05/05/2006 8:19:58 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: WildHorseCrash

"....being that there is absolutely no benefit to the child derived..."

So, you want to limit allowable behaviour to those that have measurable benefits? Who gets to do the measuring, or who gets to define benefit?

"Holy crap, it's like the perfect storm of mindless idiocy."

Nice admission that using correlation to push a platform is not appropriate. Now, how do you explain your use of correllations to push government control of parental activity?


89 posted on 05/05/2006 8:20:30 AM PDT by CSM (I went to the gas station this weekend and it was so popular that I had to wait for a pump. D-Chivas)
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To: sandbar
Your child is 10 lbs overweight, lets remove them from the home...

Actually, I saw a tv program where this action was pending. The school's physician, nurse and coach were irate that the parents of the child were not adhering to the diet and exercise regimen they recommended for the child. They turned the parents over to CPS for neglect.

90 posted on 05/05/2006 8:22:01 AM PDT by Conservababe
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To: RBroadfoot

Both my parents smoked when I was a kid, and I loved the smell of cigarette smoke.


91 posted on 05/05/2006 8:22:57 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: WildHorseCrash

"That's the dumbest, most ignorant, illogical, inane and ridiculously stupid statement I've read on FreeRepublic in a while. Holy crap, it's like the perfect storm of mindless idiocy."

A#%WNDHC6734HJWCJ""""@@$^GUDBICH8SVE85423I5943JT9FG.

rIGHT-ON BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!


92 posted on 05/05/2006 8:23:39 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Madame Dufarge

Hello, Madame. It's another beautiful day in anti-land, isn't it?


93 posted on 05/05/2006 8:26:48 AM PDT by 383rr ( ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY))
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To: Lou L

I am not at all in disagreement with you. I wasn't saying I thought it was good law. Just good sense. On the other hand, prohibiting smoking in a barroom is senseless to me.


94 posted on 05/05/2006 8:33:07 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: 383rr; Raycpa; WildHorseCrash
Why, I believe he's converted me, too. His flawless logic and winning personality are a mighty force for the Nanny State.

Look at his acolytes who've appeared on this thread.

Who wouldn't want to be just like them??!!

If I can improve my life to be only 1/10th as virtuous as Raycpa and WildHorseCrash, why then the loss of personal freedoms is a small price to pay.

For the children.

95 posted on 05/05/2006 8:33:30 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SheLion

As for me, I'd rather my kids not be in a smoke-filled car or bar. I'll take my chances with video games warping their minds.


96 posted on 05/05/2006 8:36:24 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: 383rr
Indeed it is.

I love the smell of hysteria in the morning.

97 posted on 05/05/2006 8:36:27 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: BerniesFriend
Another unenforceable law threatens. Unenforceable laws create a policed state where what is not compulsory is prohibited. This is what we can expect when we lose the protection of the U. S. Constitution. Lawmakers can pass any law they please.

This danger to our freedoms and liberty could be easily removed.

Any new legislation should be required to carry a statement showing where in the U.S.Constitution such a proposal is authorized.

State lawmaking bodies should be required to do the same thing for any state legislation proposed.

Such a proposal is introduced in almost every new session of Congress by someone usually described as being on the "extreme right." It is never brought to the floor of Congress and is kept bottled up in committee or allowed to die no matter which major party is in power.

This is as clear a statement as possible that neither party is willing to be governed by the U. S. Constitution.

Where am I wrong? Anyone?
98 posted on 05/05/2006 8:37:33 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: swain_forkbeard
As for me, I'd rather my kids not be in a smoke-filled car or bar. I'll take my chances with video games warping their minds.

Funny, but Eric and Dylan were big into gross video games. 

99 posted on 05/05/2006 8:38:33 AM PDT by SheLion (BEWARE: There are CINO'S among us!!!!)
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To: R.W.Ratikal

You are 100% correct.


100 posted on 05/05/2006 8:40:39 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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