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To: wardaddy
"You guys are out of sync with your members....much like the GOP Senate."

Based on the vast majority of comments supporting the original vanity that started this thread, I think it is you who are out of synch with most members of FR. There is a huge difference between disagreeing on an issue and demanding members of this site don't vote in 2006. There is also a big difference between disagreeing with a President and calling him a treasonous traitor who should be impeached. As someone who still serves in the military, and still recognizes we have a serious job to do protecting this nation from the very real threat of Islamofascists, the biggest obstacle I can see in the future to our success in that war is a Speaker Pelosi and an impeached Commander in Chief.

Illegal immigration is yet one more problem President Bush has inherited from his predecessors. It has taken generations to evolve into its current state. And it will take generations to solve. The American public has become convinced that all problems can be solved overnight. I'm not sure if that is a result of watching too many movies, or spending too much time listening to the MSM, but it isn't true. Whether it is the war on terror, the fight against abortion, undoing our welfare society, or solving illegal immigration, it is going to take time to accomplish the results we are looking for. The fact that some "conservatives" are ready to bail out just when every sign indicates their pet issue is starting to be addressed puts them into the same category as the cut-and-run democrats who want to sign a war on terror peace treaty because Iraq is not yet a Jeffersonian Democracy.

For some people this may just be an opportunity to "make a point" about how important they are. But to thousands of Americans fighting around the world to guarantee the freedom of this country, a democrat congress will mean the difference between ultimate success and failure in a war we are currently winning. And we cannot afford to lose that war. And in the meantime, the problem of illegal immigration is starting to get the attention it deserves. Bush is fighting several wars at once. It sure as hell doesn't help that his supposed "base" has opened another front to his rear.

2,407 posted on 05/17/2006 9:12:42 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

Quit accusing me of things I've not said....like impeachment or voting for Dems.

Amnesty will ensure a Dem takover of this nation. It is foolhardy to the extreme.

It's ludicrous it has any footing at all at the magnitude being guessed at.

A generation ago your views to allow 1-200 million immigrants to swarm in here in a generation would have been laughed at as preposterous. Now anyone challenges that is a racist or whatever else Ed Gillespie decides to call us in public.


2,421 posted on 05/17/2006 9:20:07 PM PDT by wardaddy (Are you a Coyote Republican or Un Hombre Verdad?)
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To: Rokke
BRAVO !
2,435 posted on 05/17/2006 9:25:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Rokke


Yours is the premiere post of this thread.
Well done!


2,439 posted on 05/17/2006 9:27:03 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Rokke
Too many of us forget that this isn't all about "me." This can not be said often enough:

But to thousands of Americans fighting around the world to guarantee the freedom of this country, a democrat congress will mean the difference between ultimate success and failure in a war we are currently winning. And we cannot afford to lose that war. And in the meantime, the problem of illegal immigration is starting to get the attention it deserves. Bush is fighting several wars at once. It sure as hell doesn't help that his supposed "base" has opened another front to his rear.

Excellent in-thread rant. Thank you again, Rokke.

2,475 posted on 05/17/2006 9:53:14 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Rokke

Wow - such an effective post. Thank you for your comments and your service.

I agree 100%

That is what is so frustrating around here. The hit and run tacky comments are such a waste when probably most posters have in them the ability to state their views in an informative way for discussion.


2,496 posted on 05/17/2006 10:07:53 PM PDT by ClancyJ (To cause a democrat to win is the most effective way to destroy this country.)
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To: Rokke

Excellent post !!

Thank you!


2,509 posted on 05/17/2006 10:14:51 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Rokke

Great post!


2,524 posted on 05/17/2006 10:20:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Rokke

Excellent analysis, Rokke. I couldn't agree more.


2,541 posted on 05/17/2006 10:28:26 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Rokke

Re: port 2404 - Good post.

As my father used to say, "these aren't your grandfather's Democrats". 40-50 years ago, you could count on at least *some* Democrats being pro-defense, pro-growth, pro-family, pro-fiscal soundness, etc. Nowadays, can we name 10 Democrats in the House like that? In the Senate?

The Democrats have pandered and sold themselves out to all manner of nutter, splinter groups, such that they cannot offer any coherent national strategy other than giving people "more stuff", especially those who, in the words of Dick Gephardt, are "losers in life's lottery". What a bunch of monkey muffins. Unfortunately, a lot of folks buy into that.

The VAST majority of Democrats are simply not going to be able to deliver on national security, pro-growth, pro-family, etc issues. They try and try to re-invent themselves, but it always seems to fail. I've always said that the biggest threat to a Republican being elected in is a Democrat that has conservative principles. But hose folks are just not around much anymore. Knowing that, and knowing what Congresswoman Pelosi has stated about her intentions if she becomes Speaker of the House, it should be no surprise what's going to happen if Democrats get control of the House or Senate. NO SURPRISE.

As stated previously by others, primary elections are the place to make our voice herd. That and keeping in contact with elected officials. Write them, call them, let them know you are holding them accountable. I used to say that if George Pataki was the Republican candidate, that I would sit out the election in 2008. But I can't do that, even though I think he's been an awful governor in New York the last 4-6 years - the alternative is even worse (am hoping Pataki never gets past a more conservative candidate). But if he is the Republican candidate, I'm voting for him. The alternative will not be good.


2,725 posted on 05/18/2006 6:05:07 AM PDT by Fury
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