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Lawmaker: Marines killed Iraqis ‘in cold blood’ (Traitor Murtha Alert)
NBC News ^ | 5/17/2006 | Jim Miklaszewski, Mike Viqueira

Posted on 05/17/2006 4:42:36 PM PDT by tobyhill

WASHINGTON - A Pentagon probe into the death of Iraqi civilians last November in the Iraqi city of Haditha will show that U.S. Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood," a U.S. lawmaker said Wednesday.

From the beginning, Iraqis in the town of Haditha said U.S. Marines deliberately killed 15 unarmed Iraqi civilians, including seven women and three children.

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KEYWORDS: 109th; haditha; innocentcivilians; iraq; murtha; probe; traitor; wot
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To: JCEccles

no, thats not the thing to do, and I'm not joining him.


21 posted on 05/17/2006 5:11:06 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: avacado

Well, the military is investigating and we'll find out what happened. Murtha should not be jumping the gun on this.


22 posted on 05/17/2006 5:12:43 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: tobyhill
This first hit the news in March, "exposed" largely by a Time magazine article that seems to have relied heavily on the story of a 9 year old girl whose family members were killed. I was just reading it now after seeing the Fox News coverage of Murtha's allegations. On page 2, this excerpt caught my eye:
According to Eman, the Marines then entered the living room. "I couldn't see their faces very well—only their guns sticking into the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny." She claims the troops started firing toward the corner of the room where she and her younger brother Abdul Rahman, 8, were hiding; the other adults shielded the children from the bullets but died in the process. Eman says her leg was hit by a piece of metal and Abdul Rahman was shot near his shoulder. "We were lying there, bleeding, and it hurt so much. Afterward, some Iraqi soldiers came. They carried us in their arms. I was crying, shouting 'Why did you do this to our family?' And one Iraqi soldier tells me, 'We didn't do it. The Americans did.'"
So a young child, who can't tell the difference between American and Iraqi soldiers, who couldn't see anyone's faces, who thought the Iraqi soldiers killed her family (until they told her Americans did it), becomes a prime witness to these allegations? I hope there is some reliable coverage that gets to the truth.
23 posted on 05/17/2006 5:13:35 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
Murtha and NBC are claiming inside military sources are confirming Murtha's account which is BS because CID, or Navy equivalent, wouldn't leak this to the likes of Murtha or NBC in an ongoing investigation.
24 posted on 05/17/2006 5:19:08 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: conserv13
Even during one of the bloodiest battles of World War II, Marines did all they could and more to save Japanese civilians.

Even Muthra knows this!

By The way, Guy Gabaldon still deserves The Congressional Medal of Honor.

25 posted on 05/17/2006 5:19:42 PM PDT by usmcobra (Marines out of uniform might as well be nude, since they can no longer be recognized as Marines.)
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To: conserv13

No matter how well things are going, no matter how good the planning or the training, it is inevitable that a few people are going to snap from time to time and if they have a gun in their hand...well then. I'm not making excuses but sh*t happens. Nothing new or surprising. Everybody knows that Iraq is not a summer camp. Anyways, having said that, it appears that the Pentagon is carrying out an investigation so I see no need to publicize this until the investigation is complete - outside of demoralizing our troops and the American population, encouraging our enemy and scoring political points against President Bush.

I used to think that Murtha was well-meaning but misguided. My opinion has started to change.


26 posted on 05/17/2006 5:29:15 PM PDT by passeryby
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To: tobyhill
...is BS because CID, or Navy equivalent, wouldn't leak this to the likes of Murtha

I agree with you.

27 posted on 05/17/2006 5:33:23 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: passeryby
Why even assume they snapped? It could be just as likely that the investigation that is still going on could exonerate them all.
28 posted on 05/17/2006 5:35:14 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: conserv13
*if* it is true that Marines killed unarmed women and children then that is very very disturbing.

Women and children may have died, but I highly doubt they intentionally killed them. These are soldiers in a war, not cops in East LA.

29 posted on 05/17/2006 5:40:42 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: usmcobra

Murtha is an ex-human. I'm going to refrain from further comment about this piece of trash.


30 posted on 05/17/2006 5:43:44 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: msnimje
From what I have heard the label "Former Marine" is a derogatory one. Marines are Marines for life.

The ones I've met will correct you if you say "ex-Marine". They prefer "Former Marine". I've heard a few of them say that. I finally got to teasing one guy I knew, saying that you're never really out of the Marines, they just let you go home. He laughed and agreed. You are of course, correct. They all seem to feel, "Once a Marine, always a Marine". God bless 'em all.

31 posted on 05/17/2006 5:43:58 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: Fedora; pinz-n-needlez

Ping


32 posted on 05/17/2006 5:44:10 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Justanobody; smoothsailing; patton; IGOTMINE; river rat; A.A. Cunningham; RaceBannon; freema; ...
Did you see the exact quote from the other thread?

I'm stunned.

33 posted on 05/17/2006 5:46:58 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: 2111USMC; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ALlRightAllTheTime; armymarinemom; ...
PLEASE

TURN THE KEY

CLICK THE SELF DESTRUCT BUTTON FOR MURTHA


34 posted on 05/17/2006 5:47:37 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: passeryby
The type of breakdown in military discipline necessary for this to be true isn't in a Marine unit's nature.

Marine Corp photos taken immediately after the incident show many of the victims were shot at close range, in the head and chest, execution-style. One photo shows a mother and young child bent over on the floor as if in prayer, shot dead, said the officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity because

A mother and child shot at close range execution style? and a platoon of Marines involved, more likely Al Queda or "insurgents" that walked into the house and executed everyone in it with American weapons.

35 posted on 05/17/2006 5:49:08 PM PDT by usmcobra (Marines out of uniform might as well be nude, since they can no longer be recognized as Marines.)
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To: Coop; smoothsailing; usmcobra; Fedora; pinz-n-needlez

I will never forget the night I found out about My Lai.

It didn't turn me against the war. That's for damn sure.
I was really too young to know "much" about anything. But it all came flooding back with Kerry's nomination and my Swift Vet education.


Murtha will shoot straight to hell as fast as if he walked into an empty elevator shaft.

HE HAS NO SOUL.

He sold it.


36 posted on 05/17/2006 5:57:02 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Jewels1091

"Well he has invented Viet Nam's Mai Lai for Iraq....the more things change, the more they stay the same, sadly."

No, the more things change, the more LIBERALS stay the same. The rest of the world isn't stuck in a 1970's time warp.

Today, the liberal media can still smear anybody they want, but if the Marines get cleared, then we're going to get to see their faces on TV calling Murtha a liar. If that happens before November, voters are going to get to compare him to REAL Marines and at least a few of them will see they've been sold a bill of goods.

I assume that guy's a few months from vegetation anyway. In the long run, the more important thing is that the liberal media outlets who portray this guy as God's Messenger get called to account too. For example, did you happen to notice that this article just calls him "lawmaker" for the first four paragraphs? Like they're talking about Salomon or something.


37 posted on 05/17/2006 6:00:56 PM PDT by noncommie
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To: freema
I will never forget the night I found out about My Lai. It didn't turn me against the war. That's for damn sure. I was really too young to know "much" about anything. But it all came flooding back with Kerry's nomination and my Swift Vet education

I read up about the whole Winter Soldier smear job that Kerry did back then. It's like re-opening an old wound. It was just bizarre to me that such insane and idiotic lies could be practically unopposed in America.

The only good part of it was that it made me appreciate more that the liberals don't COMPLETELY control the media these days.

38 posted on 05/17/2006 6:07:17 PM PDT by noncommie
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To: conserv13; tobyhill; Marine_Uncle; All

Well, toby, contact Murtha's office and ask for the official proof (stats). I'll be willing to bet they don't exist except in his Big Head/Little Mind.

Frankly, I think this traitor ought to be hog tied and dropped in the middle of Iraq, without the benefit of the brave young men and women who have given life and limb to back his butt up.

I went to a local shop the other day and the lady who checked me out at the register had a pin on her shirt with a pic of a young soldier. I asked who he was and she explained he was her son, and was killed in Iraq last February serving his country.

I thanked her for his service to our country, and for hers.

Murtha needs to quit painting these soldiers as enemies. I know he is supposed to be some kind of war hero.

He sure as heck don't act like one to me. I saw on C-Span today his comments.

I am still seething. That is not a hero, that is a piece of shit. No war hero would do that.





39 posted on 05/17/2006 6:10:52 PM PDT by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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To: girlangler

I've got nothing to say or ask of the traitor not will I give him my time of day. I'll let the honorable Marines handle him.


40 posted on 05/17/2006 6:15:56 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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