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Pope asks India not to ban religious conversions
Hindustan Times ^ | May 20, 2006

Posted on 05/19/2006 6:12:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway

India has responded with diplomatic equanimity to Pope Benedict XVI's seemingly provocative remarks condemning attempts to ban religious conversion in certain states.

The pope had told India’s new ambassador to the Vatican, Amitava Tripathi, on Thursday that the country should "firmly reject" attempts "to legislate clearly discriminatory restrictions on the fundamental right to religious freedom". He had also taken note of the "disturbing signs of religious intolerance which had troubled some regions of the nation".

New Delhi responded on Friday with a statement, reiterating the constitutional "freedom of conscience" and the right to freely profess, practise and propagate religion. "It is acknowledged universally that India is a secular and democratic country where adherents of all faiths enjoy equal rights," said a foreign ministry spokesperson.

It was the pope's second declaration this week in defence of religious freedom in countries where Christians are a minority. In India, the statement comes in the backdrop of Rajasthan planning to become the sixth state to enact the anti-conversion law the pope was referring to. Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, and Orissa already have laws that bar conversions but allow re-conversions to Hinduism. Jharkhand has declared its intention to enact a similar law.

The BJP-ruled Rajasthan, however, has not been able to convince Governor Pratibha Patil to give her assent to the Religious Conversion Bill. She returned the bill making a point similar to the one made by the pope -- that its provisions would affect the right to freedom of religion.

The BJP has often attributed attacks on Christian missionaries, including the murder of Graham Staines in Orissa, as reactions to their proselytising. During his recent Bharat Suraksha Yatra, BJP president Rajnath Singh had described proselytising "dangerous" and asked all BJP-ruled states to enact a similar law.


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To: ranger13008; Gengis Khan

wow -- you guys really want to undermine ALL the good image India's got, don't you? India AND Hinduim have a pretty good image and an improving one, but with words like your you are undermining that attempt. If you love your country, if you love your religion, stop acting like fools and debate like civilised persons -- example carrotandstick.


301 posted on 05/22/2006 11:54:48 AM PDT by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: voice of india
I think such activities are simply unacceptable.Christ had asked us to spread the word but not to demonize other gods and hurt other's sentiments.

I agree
302 posted on 05/22/2006 11:55:41 AM PDT by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: The Lion Roars

From Christians perhaps, but NOT from the Catholic Church. Therein lies the fullness of Christian faith, and we present no hate literature of any kind. I cannot nor would I try to answer for any other break-away Christian sect.


304 posted on 05/22/2006 12:03:00 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: The Lion Roars
The laws are present elsewhere. It is next to impossible for hordes of hindu missionaries to descend in the South.

How so? What exactly is stopping them? Be specific. Once again, total nonsense you just made up out of thin air.

Or are you now claiming immigration restrictions are meant to discriminate against Hindu and Buddhist missionaries? Ridiculous, American immigration laws have nothing to do with religion.

Again the local cultures are different. In India there is a strong tradition of welcoming guests and treating them well. Strangers are readily taken into homes. These gullible people need protection. In contrast in the Western World people take care of themselves. There in lies the difference.

So you are claiming that many Indians are too stupid for freedom and its responsibilies? How condescending.

By the way if anybody is denying free speech it is the Indian Catholics. Did you see the demonstrations to ban the movie - The Da Vinci Code!!!! The Indian Government almost succumbed to it. If anything the hindus go out of their way to appease foreign people and religions.

And thankfully the Indian gov't did not give in. I think the movie is blasphemous, but don't agree with banning. Nowhere in the American south is the movie banned, though some might pressure theater owners not to show it. But no laws against religious(or irrelegious expression.) The US and state governments wouldn't consider banning the movie, though they might put age appropriate ratings restrictions based on content. So once again, India gov't considered restricting religious freedom in a way the US would never do. Thanks for making my point. Do you not understand the difference between speaking out/protesting and legal restrictions?

305 posted on 05/22/2006 12:07:05 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

"India gov't" should be "some governmental units within India"

to distinguish national from local political parties' policies


306 posted on 05/22/2006 12:12:57 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Romish_Papist

That the Pope had an agenda as regarding Evangelizing India is a widely know fact in India regardless of this particular article. He has no business trying to meddle in India's affairs.


307 posted on 05/22/2006 1:07:14 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: The Lion Roars

"Strangers are readily taken into homes. These gullible people need protection."

Protection from what?


308 posted on 05/22/2006 1:09:00 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: Romish_Papist

"Show me something, ANYTHING stating proof that the Catholic Church backs any sort of Christian terrorist activities please. Either that, or drop the slander."

Check post #111 and #166.


309 posted on 05/22/2006 1:10:41 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
First of all, he's not meddling in India's affairs. He's asking India to step up to the plate and support a basic human right. As far as evangelization, it's not the Pope's plan. Christ told us to do it. I suggest that if you have a problem with that you take it up with Christ. I do not mean to be smug by saying that, but it's true. We're following orders from our Lord. "Make disciples of all nations" and so forth. You FRiend, make it sound like becoming Catholic is doing some horrible harm to anyone who converts. No, he's not meddling at all. It sounds to me like the Indian governments in the states enacting this law are meddling with the free choice of the Indian people. Why are the state governments so worried that Indians might convert?
310 posted on 05/22/2006 1:14:24 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: Gengis Khan

Hmmm.... so you're giving me sources either of Indian or Hindu origin, hardly unbiased I'd say; or sources mentioning Baptists. Baptists are NOT Catholic.


311 posted on 05/22/2006 1:16:46 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: Romish_Papist
Do they really need the government to hold their hands like that? Are they not capable of deciding that if what they hear sounds like truth, they may do as they with, convert or not? Seriously, it sounds like the gov't is saying, "sure, go listen, but if you convert because of what they say, then it's illegal." That just strikes me as paranoid.
 
That argument should work both ways isnt it? If they dont need the government to hold their hands then they also dont need to Missionaries to hold their hands like that. BTW is dont think the government's role would be to hold people's hands as regarding matters of religion and spirituality. Their (government's) business is to see that the foreign Missionaries, mullahs, imams and maulavis keep their hands off. This law is necessary and it would appear as a paranoia to only those whose business of mass conversion through fraud is directly threatened. Conversion is about hatred and intolerance and is not a secular activity that the government should allow to continue unchecked.

312 posted on 05/22/2006 1:21:52 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Romish_Papist

I didnt know BBC is Hindu. You expected only Christian sources?

"Baptists are NOT Catholic."
You wanted to know about "Christian terrorist activities". Try not to hide behind the Baptist-Catholic excuse.

Whether or not Catholics are into terrorist activities, dont expect secular India to enact laws that would exempt one sect while it will curb the activities of the other.


313 posted on 05/22/2006 1:27:21 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Romish_Papist
So if attempts to convert a Hindu to Christianity are insults, are attempts to convert a Christian into a Hindu also insults? Or is it a one-way street?
 
They were never Christians in the first place. They were Hindu and they were forced or enticed into so called Christianity. Even now they arnt fully Christians.

314 posted on 05/22/2006 1:30:51 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: The Lion Roars

Well said!


315 posted on 05/22/2006 1:32:38 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
"That the Pope had an agenda as regarding Evangelizing India is a widely know fact in India regardless of this particular article."

Of course he wants to evangelize India. Widely known fact? I'd think it would be a universally known fact. It's required. It's a commandment of Jesus Christ.

"He has no business trying to meddle in India's affairs."

Oh, to the contrary. He has a great deal of interest in --- let's not say "meddling" --- trying to influence Indias's affairs, especially as they touch upon religious liberty. There's 17 million Catholics in India, and all of them (like all Christians) are ALSO required to pray and work for the reign of God, the eternal well-being of souls, the spread of the Gospel and the baptism of all nations.

Many of us lack the whole-hearted and generous love which Christ calls for, but it is the mission of every Christian.

So the spread of the Gospel everywhere is precisely the Pope's business. What other business would he have?

316 posted on 05/22/2006 1:42:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: Gengis Khan

That is not in line with what was said earlier. The whole thing about it being illegal if someone converts from listening to a missionary, etc. If simply listening to a missionary causes someone to convert, what business is it of the government?


317 posted on 05/22/2006 1:50:30 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: Gengis Khan
"Whether or not Catholics are into terrorist activities, dont expect secular India to enact laws that would exempt one sect while it will curb the activities of the other"

I WOULD expect secular India to enact lws that would exempt humanitarian and educational activity, while curbing violence and fraud. Would that be OK with you?

318 posted on 05/22/2006 1:50:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: Gengis Khan

With all due respect, do not accuse me of hiding behind anything. I asked you specifically for CATHOLIC support for terrorists. Baptists are NOT Catholic therefore, they do not listen to the Pope.


319 posted on 05/22/2006 1:51:58 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Mrs. Don-o is an extremely effective debater (and an inspired one, at that). Thanks for your comments here.
320 posted on 05/22/2006 1:54:08 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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