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Primary schools to check for obesity (Government monitors children's weight)
UK Telegraph ^ | May 22, 2005 | George Jones

Posted on 05/21/2006 5:41:21 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Primary schoolchildren are to be weighed regularly and their parents told if they are too fat under a Government drive to reduce obesity.

Children aged four to 10 in England will be put on the scales this term to help prepare an obesity "map". From next year, parents of any obese four- to 10-year-old can expect a letter telling them that their child faces long-term health problems unless they live a healthier life.

Yesterday, the Department of Health rejected suggestions that the Government was "policing" the size of children and increasing the risk that some children could be stigmatised or bullied if they were identified as being obese. A spokesman said tackling childhood obesity needed to be taken very seriously.

According to current trends, it is set to become the greatest cause of death in the UK. Obesity has trebled over the last 20 years, and a health survey in England in 2001 found that around 24 million adults in England were overweight.

It is rising among children too. In the past 10 years it has doubled in six-year-olds (to 8.5 per cent) and trebled among 15-year-olds (to 15 per cent).

The National Audit Office says that by 2010 the cost of treating obesity and related illnesses in England will be £3.6 billion. The tests will be carried out with children wearing "light clothes".

Parents can refuse permission for their child to be tested and can ask not to be sent the results next year.

Caroline Flint, the junior health minister, believes that parents are the "first and foremost" influence on their children and have a key role to play in tackling obesity.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: childhoodobesity; england; fatpolice; fatties; government; governmentintrusion; obesity; privacy; publikskoolz
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Probably coming soon to the US as well -- it's all "for the children".
1 posted on 05/21/2006 5:41:24 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Educating children in school about healthy habits is one thing, having compulsory weighings is government intrusion.
2 posted on 05/21/2006 5:43:41 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
The National Audit Office says that by 2010 the cost of treating obesity and related illnesses in England will be £3.6 billion.

You'd have to blind to not see the handwriting on the wall here.

What price liberty?

3 posted on 05/21/2006 5:48:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the Twin Towers were dedicated to "world peace." Islam destroyed them. Meditate.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

The next step is they charge the parents of fat kids with child abuse, Social services take the kids and the parents are sent to Dachau. Wait that was a few years back. Well !!wherever it is that the British socialists decide to send them.


4 posted on 05/21/2006 6:02:33 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: FairOpinion

And will only cost the taxpayer about $150 per kid "processed" -- really a great value for those taxpayers with no kids in school.


5 posted on 05/21/2006 6:22:01 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: FairOpinion

Usually if a kid is obese in grade school, it's not a closely guarded secret.


6 posted on 05/21/2006 6:26:44 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: FairOpinion

Eons ago, when I was in grade school, the school nurse would come around with her scale once/yr. Our report cards would be marked with whether we were too fat or too skinny.
I don't think there is any law against it.


7 posted on 05/21/2006 6:44:25 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: speekinout

But it shouldn't be the government mandating it.


8 posted on 05/21/2006 6:46:45 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: traviskicks; Gabz; SheLion

Nanny state ping.


9 posted on 05/21/2006 6:51:12 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Normal American)
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To: FairOpinion
" Probably coming soon to the US as well -- it's all "for the children"."

It's always for the kids. Not for their health, although that line sounds good.

It's for the kids so we can condition them to having every aspect of their lives montored and inspected at a whim.

School kids who sit idly by while dogs judge whether or not they have had contact with illegal substances.

Kids who freak at a lit cigarette and run shreiking from the room as if the black of death itself has entered the room.

Kids who turn in percieved illegal behavior of their parents to teachers and councilors that have nothing better to do than tell others how to live.

So now we will have more stats to add to their permanent health records on their new national id card.

It's a brave new world out there, are you wearing your safety googles & helmet ?

10 posted on 05/21/2006 6:55:11 PM PDT by Kakaze (American: a Citizen of the United States of America........not just some resident of said continent)
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To: FairOpinion

The state gov't mandated it when I was a kid. That's only slightly better than if the Feds do it.

I'm truly of mixed emotions about this one. We know there are abusive parents and some recent cases have been of parents starving their children. Teachers don't dare to report suspected cases of abuse anymore, because they can be sued.

What's a better way to find cases of child abuse?


11 posted on 05/21/2006 7:14:53 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: elkfersupper; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ...

This is the UK..............but don't think the Nanny Statists aren't working on it here in the US........and in fact they've started it in several places.


12 posted on 05/21/2006 7:44:52 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: FairOpinion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1563271/posts
Healthy People 2010

Excerpt:

Focus Areas at a Glance (28)

* Access to Quality Health Services
* Arthritis, Osteoporosis and Chronic Back Conditions
* Cancer
* Chronic Kidney Disease
* Diabetes
* Disability and Secondary Conditions
* Educational and Community-Based Programs
* Environmental Health
* Family Planning
* Food Safety
* Health Communication
* Heart Disease and Stroke
* Immunizations and Infectious Diseases
* Nutrition and Overweight
* Injury and Violence Prevention
* Maternal, Infant, and Child Health
* Medical Product Safety
* Mental Health and Mental Disorders
* Occupational Safety and Health
* Oral Health
* Physical Activity and Fitness
* Public Health Infrastructure
* Respiratory Diseases
* Sexually Transmitted Diseases -STD
* Substance Abuse
* Tobacco Use
* Vision and Hearing


13 posted on 05/21/2006 7:49:35 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: speekinout

>>>>What's a better way to find cases of child abuse?

Oh, that will be a great indicator! /sarc

This is already one of the initiatives being implemented in the USA.

The 'for the children' is only the public introduction because the adults are already incorporated in the initiatives.

From the CDC

Adult BMI calculator:

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/bmi/adult_BMI/english_bmi_calculator/bmi_calculator.htm

Child and Teen BMI calculator:

http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/dnpabmi

This is absolutely bogus.

There is no place to input whether you are male or female in the adult calculator.

There is no place to input body type like ectomorph, mesomorph or endormorph. It is a one size fits all.

So please, let's use this as an indicator of child abuse!


14 posted on 05/21/2006 7:56:03 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Gabz

The first steps of the intro:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1561077/posts
Animal Tagging and SCHOOL LUNCHES???


15 posted on 05/21/2006 7:57:28 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Tired of Taxes

ping


16 posted on 05/21/2006 7:57:56 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: speekinout
I agree with you that teachers are (or at least should be) a first responder in cases of child abuse/neglect...........but there are so many zealots out there about so many things can we really trust even them?

When my daughter, who will be 8 in July, stands next to her best friend, who turned 8 this month, you would think there was 2-3 years difference in their ages. My daughter's friend is a good 6" taller and at least 60-70# heavier than my daughter.

Which one should the teacher turn in for "issues," the child with a weight problem or the pipsqueak skinny minny child?

Both children are happy, healthy and very active. I see it on a regular basis when they are at my house, and also on the ball field because both girls are in Little League.

Feeding these 2 girls is no picnic. Heaven help me and the other mom when they become teenagers. Granted as most kids their age do, they go through their fair share of mac and cheese.............but between me and the other mom, we go through pretty close to 10 pounds of carrots and celery a week, just in snacks. Gotta love a kid that loves veggies!!!!!

17 posted on 05/21/2006 8:01:29 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: Calpernia

Oh, I know.

You and I have always been on the same page here.


18 posted on 05/21/2006 8:02:55 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: FairOpinion
Remember the world value survey. The United Kingdom is already very distant from the US and far more similar to otehr European countries.


19 posted on 05/21/2006 8:03:36 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: Calpernia

You're absolutely right. None of the "statistics" mean a thing. But what do you do about, say, a third grader who weighs 40 lbs.? Something is wrong, but without a gov't standard, the teachers and school admin. can't say anything.


20 posted on 05/21/2006 8:04:17 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: FairOpinion

It already has.


21 posted on 05/21/2006 8:05:40 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: speekinout

>>>>But what do you do about, say, a third grader who weighs 40 lbs.?

Bring back Gym as being daily.


22 posted on 05/21/2006 8:19:34 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Gabz

Yes, I think this is why it is a difficult issue. There's a wide variation in kids, but people who see them often (like teachers) do know which ones are in trouble. I don't trust all teachers, of course. But who else sees the kids so often?

BTW, I'm past the age of feeding young children. I was always lazy about it, but the kids were always happy with the bowls of vegs in ice water (to keep them crispy) - carrots and celery, sure. But also cauliflower, broccoli, green beans, mushrooms. And bite sized fruits like apple slices, grapes, berries, pineapple chunks, etc. in a fruit bowl.
As long as they didn't need a plate or a utensil, they ate it. :-)


23 posted on 05/21/2006 8:23:01 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Calpernia

Why did we decide that recess and gym no longer were important? Drugging kids so they don't have any energy is the current solution. Bad idea, I think.


24 posted on 05/21/2006 8:25:56 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: speekinout

Exactly.


25 posted on 05/21/2006 8:26:43 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Cobra64
Pizza Delivery

It's from the ACLU website, but it has some good points anyway.

26 posted on 05/21/2006 8:30:33 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Already has - in Pennsylvania, school children bring home a cautionary letter with their report card that talks about their weight - they now get weighed around report card time.


27 posted on 05/21/2006 8:35:10 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 05/21/2006 8:42:35 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: speekinout

I agree with you on the teachers being able to pick the ones in trouble - or at least they should be.

My daughter is a little bit of nothing......but she is actually both taller and heavier than I was at her age. I'm not worried about her in the least. She'll be 8 in July, I was 13 before my height really started showing and my husband grew more than an inch AFTER he was OUT of high school.

As to the vegghie bowls, I only mentioned the celery and carrots because they can be had all year round and I don't bother growing them (too much work).

I keep junk food snacks around here, and won't deny them to my child or her friends when they ask for them, because more times than not they will raid the veggie bin in the fridge before they head for chips or cookies. There has been more than once that I reach into the bin to pull out stuff to make a salad and basically find a head of lettuce in there, the kids have eaten me out of all other fresh veggies :)

Tuesday my daughter and her friend are going to really learn just what it means to want somethings in the garden. They both want watermelons and pumpkins (neither really interest me) and so after they do their homework they will be out in the field getting rid of the weeds and preparing the area to plant those seeds on Thursday.

I've got 10,000 sqaure feet tilled up and can till up more - but these girls are going to learn that if they want it planted and harvested and it is not on my plans for my goals, they are going to have to deal with it themselves.

I'm a hard taskmaster - but I'm a lot better than the Nanny State so many wish to put these girls into. If nothing else, they will both learn self sufficiency at an early age.


29 posted on 05/21/2006 8:59:28 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: Gabz

Don't you wonder how our parents and grandparents raised kids without all this "help".

Evwry time I read about more of this nanny state stuff I fume.

Maybe within a generation the state will have all those schools and camps with regulated diets and exercise as they had in Nazi Germany. The kids can all wear little uniforms and the parents will have nothing to do with it.

It is absolutely frightening.


30 posted on 05/21/2006 9:04:19 PM PDT by Mears
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To: FairOpinion

Ahhhh, the good old Mommy state. No doubt, Hitlery is licking her chops waiting for a chance to nationalize Health Care, Oil/Gas and many other industries as soon as she can wrest control away from those eeeeeevil Republicans.

Gas at $8/gallon? Well, it's good for the children. Gotta wait two years for a heart transplant? - it's good for the children. $5 for a bar of soap? - good for the children. Your child needs an emergency operation? It's not good for us at this time; try Canada.


31 posted on 05/21/2006 9:05:32 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Gabz

You know what bothers me about this obesity frenzy,Gabz.

Overweight kids,who are often teased now,will be bullied even more.

I saw it when I taght school,I saw in the schools my kids attended, and it's really hard on those heavy kids.

I am slim for one simple reason---I had good genes.I eat like a longshoreman and never gain weight. Some of these kids are obese through no fault of their own. Their genes are calling the shots.


32 posted on 05/21/2006 9:14:03 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Gabz

It's great that you are going to teach your daughter and friends to grow their own treats. I'm not big on gardening stuff (I hate worms!) but I love heirloom tomatoes and loathe supermarket ones. So I have to make some compromises. :-)

Why not just give the kids vegs instead of junk food? They like the vegs, and I have to say that I am happy that I never developed a taste for sugary things. Weight control is easier if you don't like cookies or donuts.


33 posted on 05/21/2006 9:15:10 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: speekinout; Calpernia
Why did we decide that recess and gym no longer were important?

I have to disagree with you both here.

I graduated HS in 1978, my husband graduated in 73.............our daughter is in 2nd grade, she has more recess and gym classes than I did.

34 posted on 05/21/2006 9:22:48 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: Gabz

My children have gym once every six days.


35 posted on 05/21/2006 9:25:04 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Mears

I'm seriously considering homeschooling (I can't believe I just typed that) not because of the nannystate stuff, even though I know it will come about, but for various other reasons.

One of the main reasons we chose to move here was because of the school district, but with less than a month to go before the end of the school year I'm now having serious doubts. Even my most staunchest supporters at the school have now seemed to have turned on me.


36 posted on 05/21/2006 9:29:43 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: Gabz

Then do it !

I used to volunteer for Mass Audubon and the home-schooled kids came in one day a week for all their lessons on nature,animals,rocks,vernal pools etc. It was very hand-on and very nice to see.They spent a lot of time outside on the beautiful property being educated.

There were about 10 kids,of various ages,and they taught them according to their age. It was very nice to see.


37 posted on 05/21/2006 9:35:24 PM PDT by Mears
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To: FairOpinion

So let's see, public schools are now for keeping "obesity stats" for kids, teaching them the homosexuality is not only normal, but healthy and good, and that results don't matter, efforts do.

Meanwhile, they leave school possessing only a fraction of what high school grads used to in terms of college preparation and ability to read and write with math skills qualifying them for internships within the DNC.

Why bother sending them to public schools.


38 posted on 05/21/2006 9:36:22 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: agrace; bboop; cgk; Conservativehomeschoolmama; cyborg; cyclotic; dawn53; Diva Betsy Ross; ...

Homeschool Ping!

(This article is about schools in England, but it's somewhat relevant).


39 posted on 05/21/2006 9:55:58 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: FairOpinion

Public schools are evil.


40 posted on 05/21/2006 9:56:06 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: sgtbono2002

Nah, they'll just tax the pants off of parents that have fat kids or don't pass required PT tests. After that they will take them away, but not before they collect every dime of tax they can.

Oh, the horrors of second hand grease.


41 posted on 05/21/2006 9:58:56 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: speekinout

In NYS, at least, teachers, coaches, doctors, nurses, anyone dealing with children, are all REQUIRED to report cases of suspected abuse. No concern about getting sued on that one. They face more serious charges if they don't.

And besides, who needs a scale to determine if the kid is obese? Any child that heavy is pretty obvious and I'd guess it's not a secret to the parents either.

This is not comparable to starving a child either, which is real abuse. A fat child is irresponsible in most of the cases I've seen but not abuse the way beating or starving a child is. What next? What does the government mean to do with all the parents of these obese kids? What's the point of monitering them?

I don't want the government running my life for me and making my decisions, thank you.


42 posted on 05/21/2006 10:09:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Born Conservative

ping


43 posted on 05/21/2006 10:10:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mears
I am slim for one simple reason---I had good genes.I eat like a longshoreman and never gain weight.

Are you the sister I never had???????

All kidding aside, the most I have ever wieghed in at "officially" was 165 on June 29, 1998.........Jax was born July 2nd. All docs would prefer I weigh 135, but I average 120-125, so as long as I stay above the 120 mark the docs are happy.

I'm for bed now - but am leaving this thread open for a further response t you in the morning regarding the teasing and bullying comment you made.

44 posted on 05/21/2006 10:12:33 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: speekinout; FairOpinion
Eons ago, when I was in grade school, the school nurse would come around with her scale once/yr. Our report cards would be marked with whether we were too fat or too skinny. I don't think there is any law against it.

Exactly. I remember exactly the same from my 'infants'' school in England in the 1950s. I don't remember that any apocalyptic consequences resulted from the practice then. It's possible to read to much into these things.

45 posted on 05/22/2006 1:00:56 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Born Conservative

Ping-a-ling.


46 posted on 05/22/2006 4:37:03 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Conservatives teach you how to fish. Liberals give you the fish by stealing it from the fisherman.)
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To: FairOpinion; Gabz; All

It's here now. I recieved a paper from my boys' school awhile ago, that stated their weight, and what percentile they fit in.

And I live in a rural school dictrict, in a SMALL town.


47 posted on 05/22/2006 6:37:18 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: MikeHu

Just follow the taunts of "Fatty, Fatty, two by four..."


48 posted on 05/22/2006 6:42:13 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: elkfersupper; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; ..
Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
49 posted on 05/22/2006 8:01:07 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: Mears
Overweight kids,who are often teased now,will be bullied even more.

That is so true, Mears.

I remember a particularly terrible incident when I was a freshman in high school.

There was a girl in my class who was very short and very wide, and a wonderful, funny person.

The gym teacher decided that we each had to work our way between the rungs of a ladder, I suppose to determine whether we met the Fuehrer's weight standard.

The sight of this poor girl getting stuck in the ladder rungs while howls of laughter rang out is as vivid in my mind today as it was when it happened.

It was one of the cruelest things I'd ever witnessed.

How about we judge people by their character rather than their appearance?

We'd all be lot better off.

50 posted on 05/22/2006 2:29:51 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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