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Cars run on water: Miracle or scam?
World Net Daily, CNN ^ | 05-20-06

Posted on 05/23/2006 9:27:27 AM PDT by floridaobserver

Though the developer of a technology that uses water to produce a flammable gas says it provides a solution to high gas prices plaguing the nation, detractors claim the businessman's idea is a scam.

Denny Klein is president of Hydrogen Technologies Applications in Clearwater, Fla. His patented machine uses an electrical charge to separate the atoms of H2O into HHO, a gas he calls "Aquygen."

"You get a huge energy response," Klein told the Tampa Tribune. "But this gas is very, very safe."

He first used the fuel to power a welding tool, but soon tried it out in a hybrid automobile.

The flame, though on its own registers just 259 degrees Fahrenheit, heats up to the melting point of whatever substance it touches, explained Steve Lusko, project manager for Hydrogen Technologies Applications.

"For example, when you ignite our flame and touch it to steel, it will cut right through it at 1,400 degrees," Lusko told WND.

"It will melt a hole right through a brick at 4,500 degrees. … It reacts to whatever it touches."

So, Lusko says, the gas has the ability to bond to whatever fuel it is mixed with, like gasoline in a hybrid car.

"Upon combustion, you get a dramatic increase in energy BTUs," he said, "and you get an equally dramatic decrease in emission pollution, because the burn is so highly efficient, what would have come out of the tailpipe as an emission ends up getting burned up and used."

An "electrolyzer" in Klein's 1994 Ford Escort uses electricity from the alternator to initiate the electrolysis process to make the HHO gas out of water, explained Lusko. That gas is then pumped to the manifold and into the gas tank.

"The gas then bonds with the gasoline in the gas tank," Lusko said, "and then upon combustion, that's when you get the reaction, giving you higher gas mileage and cleaner emissions."

Why not run a car with exclusively HHO gas?

"We have combustion engines here that have run completely on our Aquygen," Lusko said, "but it would be a matter of engineering."

Lusko says in tests the mileage of the hybrid vehicle has improved anywhere from 25 to 53 percent.


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KEYWORDS: energy; scam
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To: Ichneumon

Ever heard of quantum physics?

Evidently not if you think rules of science that were around 100 years ago still applies today.

I guess you'd think transparent aluminum is impossible as well.


141 posted on 05/23/2006 12:29:01 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: CougarGA7

When the H2O Model 1500 Aquygen™ Gas Generator is used as a gas welder, Aquygen™ Gas can weld, cut, braze, solder, metal clad and fuse materials such as ceramics, metals, cermets, glass, plastics and inter-metallic materials together, such as metal-to-metal, metal to glass, ferrous to non­ferrous, and dissimilar metals to each other, which is a true fusion process heretofore unavailable.


Can metal be welded to glass? I am not sure I have heard of that before.


142 posted on 05/23/2006 12:29:34 PM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: floridaobserver

Its called a STEAM ENGINE.


143 posted on 05/23/2006 12:30:23 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: CougarGA7

Great minds, etc, etc.

Since this is based out of Clearwater Florida, Scientology Central, I want one of the Freepers with access to the Florida Secretary of State to see what Scientology-related company owns this company.

Just a hunch, no actual knowledge re: any link, of course.


144 posted on 05/23/2006 12:31:23 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: TXnMA

I guess maybe you should tell the govt to stop before they spend all that money on the debunked theory.


145 posted on 05/23/2006 12:31:49 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Ichneumon
Here's another howler from their website: ...

I note that we are in close agreement... ;-)

146 posted on 05/23/2006 12:34:32 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Repeat San Jacinto!!!)
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To: floridaobserver

Ok. But that still leaves my question. How much energy is used to the amount of energy produced by the welder? And again that still doesn't explain their claim that they are creating HHO which is probably just completely incorrect.


147 posted on 05/23/2006 12:37:38 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

That would be interesting to find out.


148 posted on 05/23/2006 12:38:34 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: Abathar
I filled a big balloon once with with strait O and acetylene, tied a string to it and then lit it. After I picked myself back up and could see strait again I had a whole new appreciation for FAE's.

I did something similar once, but mine was a homemade electrolysis cell (maybe I should sue these guys). I collected the H2 and O2 in seperate garbage bags. When the bags were about 1/3 full I mixed them in a third bag, stuck a (long) fuse in the end and let her go.

It went BOOM! The next day there were stories about a mystery explosion the night before. I just wandered along contentedly.

149 posted on 05/23/2006 12:39:45 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Ichneumon

[Thunderous applause!]


150 posted on 05/23/2006 12:41:21 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: floridaobserver

Anyone old enough to remember the Oil Crisis of the 70's knows these things come out of the woodwork at times like this. Soon to disappear back into the mist.


151 posted on 05/23/2006 12:41:46 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Leatherneck_MT
I guess maybe you should tell the govt to stop before they spend all that money on the debunked theory.

Since when has anyone (especially a conservative) been successful in stopping government DUmb@$$3$ from blowing our hard-earned tax noney on idiocy? (Especially if they are giving those $$$ to a left-wing voter?)

152 posted on 05/23/2006 12:41:47 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Repeat San Jacinto!!!)
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To: sima_yi
Conservation of mass/energy; it's not just a good idea, it's the law!

No, that's Gravity (except when it really isn't gravity).

153 posted on 05/23/2006 12:41:59 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: floridaobserver
Miracle or scam?

My vote is "scam" and not a very good one at that.

Energy can neither be created or destroyed; but as some post prove, it sure can be wasted.

154 posted on 05/23/2006 12:42:47 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: noncommie
Agreed. I omitted the "peer review" because my point was that I want to be one of the peers to review it.

Some people are smarter than others; there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But it's frankly appalling to me how many people alive today don't have a CLUE how technology works. 500 years ago, there would be an excuse for this kind of confusion, but not in this day and age.

Personally, I think everyone should have to pass p-chem to get a bachelors degree. :)

155 posted on 05/23/2006 12:43:37 PM PDT by MilesVeritatis (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...." - John Stuart Mill)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Ever heard of quantum physics?

Yup, I sure have. I also know that not even quantum physics allows someone to grossly violate the First Law of Thermodyanics. Nor does quantum physics make sense out of this scammer's nonsense, nor help him violate the basic laws of nature that even quantum physics follow.

If you think it does, go right ahead and show us you analysis of the quantum wave function which makes this goofiness possible. We'll wait.

Evidently not if you think rules of science that were around 100 years ago still applies today.

You haven't a clue, have you? My posts on this topic are based on modern physics, including quantum physics, and I can't imagine what kind of brain-fart would cause you to think that it wasn't.

I guess you'd think transparent aluminum is impossible as well.

I guess you think that alumina is the same as plain old aluminum -- you'd be wrong about that too.

156 posted on 05/23/2006 12:46:12 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Ichneumon

I think that he was referencing the transparent aluminum that was in the Voyage Home Star Trek movie. But that is a very interesting article there on alumina.


157 posted on 05/23/2006 12:52:49 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: lafroste

Law? Pshaw.

I prefer the theory of intelligent falling, myself.

80% of all people surveyed don't believe in the so-called law of gravity. The "law" is in trouble!!!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, sorry, wrong luddite thread.


158 posted on 05/23/2006 12:58:56 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: floridaobserver; ClearCase_guy; Leatherneck_MT; TXnMA
For the record, this company is developing a Humvee with this process for the Department of Defense.

But then, that's exactly the kind of thing that a con man would falsely claim, "for the record". It puts all the suckers at ease.

159 posted on 05/23/2006 1:00:27 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: 7thson

 

I'm still guessing "scam"...

160 posted on 05/23/2006 1:01:28 PM PDT by Fintan (Okay, sometimes I don't read all the articles.)
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