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Stomping on the Constitution, California-Style
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 3 June 2006 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 06/03/2006 5:23:58 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

The California Assembly just passed a bill widely described in the press as “an end run around the Electoral College.” It now goes to the California Senate, which is likely to agree. There is only one slight problem with this proposal. It is thrice-times unconstitutional.

The bill is an “interstate compact,” and has been introduced in the legislatures of most of the largest states, by do-gooders who are clueless about the Constitution and how it works. The theory is that if states possessing “a majority of the votes in the Electoral College” pass similar bills, those states would be committed to cast their College votes for the winner of the popular vote nationwide.

The claimed predicate is the constitutional clause giving state legislatures power over their Electors. Article II, Section 1, says: “Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives [from that State]....” Proponents of this plan to give the ten largest states control of the Presidency apparently believe this power is unfettered.

Not so.

How have the states exercised this state power? In the first two elections, of George Washington, most states had no popular elections for President. Instead, their Electors were chosen by state legislatures. By the third election, of John Adams, popular voting was generally established. Originally, Electors were chosen in each congressional district, with the senatorial Electors chosen statewide. A total of 21 states have used this method at some point. Maine and Nebraska use it today.

In time, states switched over to the winner-take-all system, to increase their political clout. One of the last states to switch was Virginia, then the largest state. Thomas Jefferson regretted this change to a less democratic method of choosing Electors, but reluctantly agreed that Virginia had to follow the actions of the other states, or lose influence in Washington.

No state has ever conditioned the granting of any of its Electoral College votes on the decisions made by voters outside that state. Since the entire purpose of the College is to reflect the presidential choices of each state, that is the first constitutional defect in this plan.

Related to that is the guarantee to all the states contained in Article IV, Section 4, which reads: “The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government....” Per Aristotle’s Politics, defining the words and concepts still used to describe governments, a “republican” government rests on decisions by the people.

Sometimes, that means a direct decision by voters. Citizens of Athens could expel people by ostracism. Today, direct voter actions are initiatives, referenda, and recalls. The common form of popular decisions is election of legislators who make policy judgments by passing laws.

It is no more the business of other states to decide the outcome of an election in California, than it is for other states to decide the motor vehicle code for California, or its tax laws, or its criminal code. For any state to turn over any decision committed to its legislature to the people of other states therefore violates the guarantee of a “republican” government.

The last constitutional guarantee violated here, is the clearest one. Article I, Section 10, provides: “No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation....” Numerous interstate compacts have been entered into by groups of states for specific purposes. The New York Port Authority is one. The states in the watershed of the Chesapeake Bay is another. The water rights compacts of western states concerning the Colorado River is yet another.

But, in accord with this clause of the Constitution, no interstate compact among states has ever been established without congressional approval. Yet, that is exactly what proponents of this legislation are attempting. Absent congressional approval, their bill they correctly describe as an “interstate compact” is a nullity, and will be so declared by the US Supreme Court in any legal challenge.

These “reformers” are trying to write the Electoral College out of the Constitution, without meeting the challenge head on, by a constitutional amendment. The College was intended to protect the interests of the smaller states, being based in part on the Senators from each state. There are enough smaller states to defeat any such amendment in Congress, or in ratification if such an amendment were passed.

So, California is, again, stomping on the Constitution. This time, the Constitution will prevail. This bill is going nowhere, even if it passes in California and other states. Genuine reform of the Electoral College IS possible without offending the Constitution, if the states return to what Jefferson favored, district election of the Electors.

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About the Author: John Armor is a lawyer specializing in constitutional law, who may again be a candidate for Congress in the 11th District of North Carolina.

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KEYWORDS: ab2948; aristotle; athens; californiaassembly; electionpresident; electoralcollege; initiative; interstatecompact; ostracism; recall; referenda; republican; winnertakeall
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This subject is arcane, but Freepers should be aware of it. This constitutional cancer will probably pass in California, and has been introduced in the legislatures of about six other states.

F.Y.I.

John / Billybob

1 posted on 06/03/2006 5:24:02 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob

Ping


2 posted on 06/03/2006 5:34:57 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Congressman Billybob
It's a waste of time and taxpayer money, but thats what liberals excel at.
3 posted on 06/03/2006 5:38:43 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Congressman Billybob

The state legislature of Californication wouldn't know the Constitution from a porn mag.


4 posted on 06/03/2006 5:41:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
But, in accord with this clause of the Constitution, no interstate compact among states has ever been established without congressional approval.

F alse.

Totally false. This very site educated me on this esoteric matter.

The issue per SCOTUS precident is whether the compact truncates federal perogatives. Does an electoral college compact truncate federal perogatives, when selecting electors is viewed as a peculularly state function? That is in the eye of the beholder. What will SCOTUS do if the campact ever reaches 270 electoral votes? Flip a coin. Color the handicapping a tossup.

5 posted on 06/03/2006 5:47:55 PM PDT by Torie
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Billybob -- What do you think the prospects are if this reaches the USSC?


6 posted on 06/03/2006 5:48:44 PM PDT by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The state legislature of Californication wouldn't know the Constitution from a porn mag.

Wanna bet? They'd want to ban the former (were they ever to actually read and understand it,) and make the latter required reading in public schools.

7 posted on 06/03/2006 5:53:51 PM PDT by sourcery (A libertarian is a conservative who has been mugged ...by his own government)
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To: Republic If You Can Keep It

And who certifies that the popular vote is accurate?


8 posted on 06/03/2006 5:54:58 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

California Dhimmirats really want a Soviet Union with sunshine..


9 posted on 06/03/2006 5:55:18 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: ClaireSolt

And in a close election like 2000, we would have to do a recount in every state instead of just Florida. What a nightmare that would have been!


10 posted on 06/03/2006 6:00:48 PM PDT by massfreeper
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To: massfreeper

I guess we are to trust Dan Rather. LOL


11 posted on 06/03/2006 6:09:21 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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And in a close election like 2000, we would have to do a recount in every state instead of just Florida. What a nightmare that would have been!

That is the Achellis heel of this scheme. It would be like the Fruited Plain being in the Katrina eye, ten feet below sea level, all of it.

12 posted on 06/03/2006 6:18:22 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Congressman Billybob

13 posted on 06/03/2006 6:25:15 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Democrats in the California legislature would be intolerable if they were not so entertaining.

I still remember the public chuckles that the diaper and cartridge tax proposals produced. Then there was the scheme to micro engrave each bullet. We all roared ... this slug has your name on it!

14 posted on 06/03/2006 6:32:23 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The state legislature of Californication wouldn't know the Constitution from a porn mag.

Nonsense. The porn mag would look familiar.

15 posted on 06/03/2006 6:32:56 PM PDT by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills. 9/11, Beslan, Madrid, London)
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To: Congressman Billybob
In time, states switched over to the winner-take-all system, to increase their political clout. One of the last states to switch was Virginia, then the largest state. Thomas Jefferson regretted this change to a less democratic method of choosing Electors, but reluctantly agreed that Virginia had to follow the actions of the other states, or lose influence in Washington.

Classic case of Tragedy of the Commons.

one per didtrict plus two statewde is the system that gives small states the most inflence.

Switch to winner take all gives more clout only if noöne else does it. But they do and now the clout goes to the big states, who didn't really need it in the first place.

16 posted on 06/03/2006 6:33:05 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to Help)
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This constitutional cancer will probably pass in California

What the hell...it gives them something to feel good about, and makes the legislature feel like they're doing something.

I'm a Californian, and I couldn't give a sh*t less what they do up in Sacramento...I ignore them, just as they ignore me and anything and anyplace 40 miles inland from the coast.....that's where the map color turns red quite rapidly.

17 posted on 06/03/2006 6:33:40 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Torie
Very interesting article you referred me to. The exception proves the rule, in the Supreme Court's conclusion concerning the Maine boundary line case. That did NOT affect any "federal prerogatives," and therefore did not require congressional approval.

Here, there IS a "federal prerogative." The Constitution sets up a state by state election of Presidents and Vice Presidents, which this particular compact clearly intends to eliminate. US Term Limits v Thornton. a dreadful decision BTW, is good law, and stands for the proposition that a change like this must be accomplished at the federal level.

That is also the fate of this idea, when it reached the Sp. Ct.

John / Billybob

18 posted on 06/03/2006 6:33:51 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob

You don't really think the SCOTUS ruling is a slam dunk do you? You really would not bet the farm on it would you, you savvy lawyer you? You do appreciate that this is an interesting case, where the state and federal perogatives, are at once both compelling, don't you? What are the odds do you think that SCOTUS would nix or uphold this scheme? I came out of the closet and suggested an even coin toss. What are your odds? Just do it. Call it. Post the odds.


19 posted on 06/03/2006 6:39:01 PM PDT by Torie
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nd anyplace 40 miles inland from the coast.....that's where the map color turns red quite rapidly.

Except Palm Springs. You know that town a bit of the way towards the devil city, from the perfect place.

20 posted on 06/03/2006 6:41:25 PM PDT by Torie
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