Close the Border and Shut Off the Engine (Braying)

self | 6/5/06 | bray

[bray]

Enough braying

[cripplecreek]

Here's some logic.

http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html

Is it worth it?

[Bikers4Bush]

So if it were up to you today what would you do to fix it?

[bray]

Like I said Fence the Border and use the Guest Worker Program w/o Citizenship.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

[Phosgood]

Close the border and THEN bray away.

[brytlea]

Without these workers they would literally have to close their businesses. They pay more than minimum wage but due to the strenuous nature of the work nobody wants to do it, even Illegals.

This doesn't even make sense. If even illegals don't want to do the jobs, whose doing them? Well, at least you admit you have an agenda. I'm sorry, but I really don't want to pay my taxes to support illegal aliens so that you can become a country club republican.

susie

[Steve0113]

Placemark.

[robowombat]

Some one else who thinks Mexicanization of the SW is just great as long as it holds unskilled wages down.

[Bikers4Bush]

Secure the border first using any and all means at our disposal. Round up all illegal felons and those who have to date eluded deportation orders and ship them out.

Then we can discuss what to do with those that remain.

Despite claims to the contrary it does not need to be and shoud not be a comprehensive solution.

The feds have to prove to us they are willing and able to secure the border before they deserve any recognition from the peanut gallery.

[evets]

Fence construction underway.

[raybbr]

I would have been with Bush on his guest worker plan if it wasn't for his obvious prejudice.

THE "NEW AMERICAN"

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

[samadams2000]

With all due respect I dont care whats in the best interest of small business owners (in this debate) or those that cite economic rationales. Of course its to your benefit! You dont care that the government (me) ultimately has to pick up the societal costs. You look at the ledger and pencil it out. You save thousands of dollars in labor costs. Me? I get to support your workers, their families , long after you've left this earth. I am the one left holding the poverty stricken, illiterate,non-assimilating, economic ,cultural deviding time bomb.

[bray]

Your points are exactly right.

Pray for W and Our Amazing Troops

[Little Ray]

Put up the wall. Show a significant drop in illegal infiltration. Once the border is secure against the flood any talk of amnesty will bring, we can talk amnesty, guest workers, etc.
The illegals already here will still be here.

In fact, cut down on border infiltration by 90-95%, and I'll be amenable to almost anything EXCEPT citizenship.

[mthom]

Did you seriously just call for a civil debate while calling any who disagree with you commies and/or Nazis? That and you pretty much defined the acceptable range of debate as being anything that is extremely close to your own opinion. If you want civil and open debate then dont be a hypocrite.

[Americanexpat]

Border wolfpack? I always admired wolves, now I am part of the pack.

[Millee]

Excellent!

[stopem]

Guess he wants amnesty too along with his small business friends for breaking the law. We should all boohoo because they buy insurance in case they get caught. And they have the audacity to call us names who expect...oh I don't know... the laws to be enforced, names. Oh yeh there's a way to get intelligent debate all right. NOT!

Guess that bray and his lawbreaking friends should support the illegal invaders instead of having all of us who he calls names,and who have to pay taxes to subsidize his CHEAP LABOR woes!!

We Americans are sick and tired of subsidizing your greedy need for cheap labor!!

[Spiff]

Now before the Borderline SS officers

Um. Nazi reference. You lose. I stopped reading right there.

I suspect you probably made baseless charges of racism against border security/immigration reform advocates elsewhere in your vanity. That would be typical.

Calling fellow conservatives nazis (or SS officers) and implying racism is NOT a conservative value. It is a tactic of the leftists and it should not be tolerated here in inflammatory vanities like this. You may be able to formulate a legitimate point or two relative to this debate. But you lose everything when you insert this nazi reference crap and insinuate that conservatives who want our borders protected, our laws enforced and our Constitution upheld are somehow racist. I suggest you make the appropriate apologies and post your points in disagreement with the immigration reform/border security advocates in a more mature, less inflammatory manner. That way, someone might actually read the whole thing and debate you rationally instead of just wanting to punch you in the face because you called them a nazi.