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Pollution From Chinese Coal Casts a Global Shadow
NY Times ^ | 6/11/06 | KEITH BRADSHER and DAVID BARBOZA

Posted on 06/11/2006 11:09:19 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom

One of China's lesser-known exports is a dangerous brew of soot, toxic chemicals and climate-changing gases from the smokestacks of coal-burning power plants.

In early April, a dense cloud of pollutants over Northern China sailed to nearby Seoul, sweeping along dust and desert sand before wafting across the Pacific.

The increase in global-warming gases from China's coal use will probably exceed that for all industrialized countries combined over the next 25 years, surpassing by five times the reduction in such emissions that the Kyoto Protocol seeks.

Already, China uses more coal than the United States, the European Union and Japan combined. And it has increased coal consumption 14 percent in each of the past two years in the broadest industrialization ever. Every week to 10 days, another coal-fired power plant opens somewhere in China that is big enough to serve all the households in Dallas or San Diego.

To make a big improvement in emissions of global-warming gases and other pollutants, the country must install the most modern equipment...

... Chinese utilities have in the past preferred to buy cheap but often-antiquated equipment from well connected domestic suppliers instead of importing costlier gear from the West.

The Chinese government has been reluctant to approve the extra spending. Asking customers to shoulder the bill would set back the government's efforts to protect consumers from inflation and to create jobs and social stability.

But each year China defers buying advanced technology, older equipment goes into scores of new coal-fired plants with a lifespan of up to 75 years.

... China released 22.5 million tons of sulfur in 2004, more than twice the amount released in the United States, and a Chinese regulator estimated last autumn that emissions would reach 26 million tons for 2005. Acid rain now falls on 30 percent of China.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: acidrain; china; chinathreatensall; chokingsmoke; climatechange; coal; environment; globalwarming; hugepolluter; kyoto; leftoutofkyoto; pollution; sulphur
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To: italianquaker

Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that they are dirt poor and there's like 2 billion of them


21 posted on 06/11/2006 12:57:33 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48

thats why kyoto is really a joke


22 posted on 06/11/2006 1:08:04 PM PDT by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: staytrue
fyi, WE'RE NUMBER ONE--in carbon dioxide emmisions.

fyi, WE'RE NUMBER ONE--in production of goods and services. Ya think there might be a correlation there? Nah. prob'ly not. To you anyway.

23 posted on 06/11/2006 1:54:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I've seen the enhanced satellite photos show the pollution cloud reach Norway. As to it's effects on the US, it's partially denuding the forests in Oregon/Washington/NoCal/BC and one study suggests it's killing the fisheries off the BC coast.


24 posted on 06/11/2006 2:04:14 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: hinckley buzzard
fyi, WE'RE NUMBER ONE--in carbon dioxide emmisions.

fyi, WE'RE NUMBER ONE--in production of goods and services. Ya think there might be a correlation there? Nah. prob'ly not. To you anyway.

Another way to put that is: "If the rest of the World attempts to live the way we do in the US, the concentration of atmospheric CO2 is going to be a lot higher, and increase a lot faster, than today."

25 posted on 06/11/2006 2:26:28 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
If they can't afford cleaner coal plants, they sure as hell aren't using $70 oil.

Apples and oranges: the coal is used mostly to spin generators, the oil mostly to fuel vehicles.

26 posted on 06/11/2006 2:36:03 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
But isn't Al Gore saying China is solving this problem.

If global warming destroys the Earth, it's Bruce Springsteen's fault.

Oh yeah, Jane Fonda's too.

27 posted on 06/11/2006 2:37:31 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
it's about spending & I stand by my point....The Chinese aren't paying $70/bbl for oil & we're being lied to
28 posted on 06/11/2006 2:40:38 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
Serious questions, not trying to be difficult:

The Chinese aren't paying $70/bbl for oil

Do you believe that they are not paying $70/bbl, they are not buying the reported quantities, or both?

In either case, what's your source?

& we're being lied to

By whom, and how... the world oil market is pretty transparent at both the production and distribution levels.

29 posted on 06/11/2006 3:31:39 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
No source - just common sense.

The U.S. can't afford $70/bbl oil - how can backwater China ?

China has "investments" in many countries which maybe bartered for oil &/or it's entirely possible that China purchased futures a while back.

30 posted on 06/11/2006 3:38:36 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: staytrue
when the US was a developing nation we dumped all kinds of goop in the air, now the china is developing, you want to hinder them by disallowing what the US and Europe had.

Your logic is pathetic. America and Europe polluted because it was expedient, but also because it was unknown to the world then the exact impact pollution would have on the world's ecosystem. The west learned through adversity the effects of uncontrolled pollution. China doesn't have that excuse. What happened 100-150 years ago involved new technologies that no one had any experience with. Yet you would excuse China, who has the benefit of American and European experience, from controlling known consequences of pollution solely for expediency's sake. China knows exactly what excessive pollution can do because of America's and Europe's past problems dealing with it.

Your hatred for America and the west is disgusting. If you find China so appealing, move there, and don't let the screen door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha. Buhbye!

31 posted on 06/11/2006 4:27:37 PM PDT by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
China does get a break on price as it uses a higher percentage of higher sulpher "sour" oil, and that spread has been getting larger

overall, this might amount to a few dollars per barrel over their entire consumption, otherwise, they appear to be paying about what everyone else does.

The U.S. can't afford $70/bbl oil - how can backwater China ?

Chinese energy imports were around 50 billion last year. Do you suppose their 202 billion dollar trade surplus with the US might have helped finance them?

32 posted on 06/11/2006 4:31:27 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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