Posted on 06/16/2006 9:13:55 AM PDT by Pyro7480
HPV Vaccine—Another Deception of the Culture of Death
The big news recently is that the FDA has just approved a new vaccine supposedly to inoculate women against cervical cancer. Predictably, the media and health professionals are touting this as the greatest thing since the Salk vaccine, but they are also engaging in a propaganda campaign aimed at distorting the public’s perception of it. I for one will stand against what I consider this newest marriage of the culture of death with junk science, and I believe we all should. In the next few weeks I intend to examine a number of aspects of this Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) vaccine for the benefit of parents who may some day be coerced into getting their kids vaccinated with it.
Let me start by pointing out a few basic elements of this vaccine and its service as a tool of the culture of death. First of all, did you ever wonder why all of a sudden we need a vaccine for just one sexually transmitted disease? Just to give you a little perspective: in the nineteen sixties, before the advent of the birth control pill and other forms of abortion-causing drugs, there were only three sexually transmitted diseases which at that time were known as venereal diseases, a name derived from Venus, the pagan goddess of sexual promiscuity. Because of the exponential increase in illicit sexual activity in the past four decades, the number of distinct sexually transmitted diseases has risen to over thirty, not to mention the multiple strains of the distinct diseases. The Human Papilloma Virus, for example, is just one sexually transmitted disease, but it has over 100 different strains! Only a small number of these strains actually lead to cancer and most of its victims don’t know they have it and cure themselves over time.
Now, to put it into even clearer perspective: the much-touted HPV vaccine treats only two strains of HPV and two strains of genital warts. This is a tour-de-force against HPV isn’t it?
The most wretched hypocrisy of the promoters of this vaccine, however, is that, rather than calling it a vaccine against a couple strains of one of the dozens of sexually transmitted diseases, they are calling it a vaccine against cervical cancer. Well, it will certainly protect some women from cervical cancer in the future but that’s not the point. The point is that there are overwhelming numbers of diseases, strains and even cancers that this vaccine does not protect from, all of which are gotten by the very same sexual act. Thinking that this vaccine gives blanket protection against cervical cancer (which of course is how it’s perceived because that is how it’s being promoted) is like believing that thirty people jumping out of the same airplane will all be protected because one of them is wearing a parachute.
This HPV vaccine, my friends, is a classic case of the culture of death playing fast and loose with people’s lives. They use junk science to hook our terribly un-reflective culture on a promise that will benefit only a miniscule portion of the population, and then the false perception of security surrounding their newest ruse hooks everyone else into behaviors and lifestyles that perpetuate the damage and decay our decency.
Don’t fall for it because pretty soon they will be forcing you—and your kids—to drink their potions to the dregs.
After reading your comments on this thread, my general contempt of religionism and religious fanatics has been renewed. It and it proponents can be useful when fighting the Left, but when it comes to the issues at that matter the most, they're no better than the Left.
Or what's good for the gander...
Actually yes, a vaccine does preven the virus known to cause cervical cancer... does everyone who contracts this virus get cervical cancer? No... is this virus the only cause of cervical cancer ? No.
I have not seen anything that said this will prevent all cervical cancer. It protects against a virus known to cause cervical cancer... and that's all I have seen it claimed to do. I see nothing irresponsible or absurd about this.
I find it incredulous that people are claiming this vaccine is somehow part of a "culture of death". It really seems those claiming that think if you catch something through sexual contact you deserve to die, even if it is preventable... Sounds to me like the same nutjobs that are out protesting at marines funerals in the name of "god".. or letting their children die from easily treated or prevented illnesses in the name of their religion.
Look people have sex outside of marriage - people in marriages aren't honest about past (or present partners) things happen in life and you have to deal with it. HPV is a lifelong consequence - From a Fortune article "Gardasil is almost certain to be approved by the FDA, say analysts, who place the medicine's annual peak revenue potential in the $2 to $4 billion range. Those estimates assume states will make Gardasil mandatory. The shots are given three times over a six month period, and will cost anywhere between $300 and $500. The vaccine lasts for up {They aren't even sure how long it's going to last} to five years. Merck's strongest data point: Studies that show the vaccine to be 100 percent effective against strains of HPV, which are responsible for some 70 percent of cervical cancers. In the United States, 14,000 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer each year, and 3,900 die from it, according the U.S. Centers for Disease Control."
What I do have a problem with is, advocating, much less mandating a vaccination for 8 and 9 year old girls that is effective at best for 5-7 years. If it's truly to prevent STD's then you allow for it later, but it shouldn't be mandatory. It's so bizarre, I see people all the time on this forum about feeding tubes ask who's paying for this? No thought at all about who pays for vaccinations. I have no problem with this vaccination being available (and informed consent), it's the mandatory part and the age that I think stinks. You innocoluate your own daughter - leave mine alone!
From the Fortune article about this "Fisher says mainstream parental opposition to Gardasil is easy to explain. "Parents are becoming more concerned about the shear number of vaccines kids are getting these days," she says. "In the 1980s, U.S. children got 23 doses of seven vaccines by age six. Today, they get 48 doses of 14 vaccines in the same period."
"And during the time that vaccines doses have doubled," she says, "there's been an increase in the number of children with autism, attention deficit and hyperactive disorder, learning disabilities, asthma, and diabetes, in which vaccines could be a contributing factor."
Fisher is strongly opposed to Merck's proposals to inoculate girls at age 9, which is six years before the average age of first sexual experience in the United States "It's just profit-making on the backs of 9-year-old girls," charges Fisher. The proposal has also drawn widely publicized ire from groups like the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family, both Christian conservative organizations generally opposed to anything they believe promotes premarital sex."
Yeah... real original.
Post #7: And I find it scandalous that anybody calls this vaccine the product of a culture of death... I won't say what they deserve!
Post #27: In this thread I see people going back to letting people die because it is God's will!!!!
Post #208: Often in history the more reactionary and ignborant elements have tried to frighten people with junk argument. The RCC has been one for 1000 years.. One in a long serie of junk arguments
Post #226: As I told, if you think that teens won't have sex because their parents tell them, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn... Cheap...
If it quacks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, then it must be.... Or rather, if it posts like a leftist...
And if you're going to belittle people for their "ignorance," it may suit you better to learn how to type/spell!
I won't go through your worthless posts to show you how you sound... Because you embrace religious fanaticism of the kind " let the b. die because she had sex..."
Let start with this worthless mumbo jumbo
"This HPV vaccine, my friends, is a classic case of the culture of death playing fast and loose with people’s lives. They use junk science to hook our terribly un-reflective culture on a promise that will benefit only a miniscule portion of the population, and then the false perception of security surrounding their newest ruse hooks everyone else into behaviors and lifestyles that perpetuate the damage and decay our decency.
Don’t fall for it because pretty soon they will be forcing you—and your kids—to drink their potions to the dregs.
The only thing you have against this vaccine is that the illness is sexually transmitted... Not anything else.
Well you may have your sexual hangups, but to try and get people killed because of them and because you are trying to impose your sexual mores on others is not very different from calls to murder...
"So people will have more sex if they have the vaccine? I doubt it."
So KIDS will have more sex if they have the vaccine? I expect it.
"So you put other people's children at risk?"
Only if other kids sleep with the unimmunized kids.
Kids that are brought up right and obey God commandments have nothing to fear. Obey scripture and you need not this man-made roulette wheel.
Or they sleep with a spouse who slept with another...
You cannot stop this with religious diatribe...
Didn't you learn that?
I guess no...
You have lowered yourself to calumny. I can vouch for the sheer majority of my peers on here, that we would not condemn a woman, or anyone to death just because "she had sex."
Well you may have your sexual hangups, but to try and get people killed because of them and because you are trying to impose your sexual mores on others is not very different from calls to murder...
See, you're proving my point, yet again. If speaking about our viewpoint on the proper ordering of the sexual faculties is an imposition, than your speaking about your own viewpoints about just going ahead and letting teens have sex, just because they're going to do it anyway, is you imposing your viewpoint on those who don't want to go along with that.
"They include the most prevalent strains at the time."
OR
They include the only strains that they have drupgs for. These two strains they "protect" one from MAY NOT be even high on the stats chart.
IOW, they deceptively market the only drug they have now and avoid talking details or even risks.
No one cares if you take every vaccination that comes out. No one cares if you want to reject all religion. That is the beauty of Christianity - it's a gift freely offered, and freely rejected and you get to choose and only you are responsible for that choice.
The problem is FORCED vaccinations especially when they are behavior based diseases that could be avoided by responsible behavior. Last time I looked we had the freedom to have our religious beliefs. Not ONE person on this thread is advocating dying from a poor choice, we are saying NO one has the right to mandate our children be innoculated with a vaccination for sexually transmitted diseases.
You're a little wiggy in your responses, and quick to be rude and insulting - it's very much a turn off to anything beneficial you might have to say. "Because you embrace religious fanaticism of the kind " let the b. die because she had sex..." Disagree with people's opinion all you want. Putting nonsensical words into other posts should be beneath you.
This is exactly what you did... Because this vaccine will save women's lives who caught a sexually transmitted disease...
By preaching against it with completely beside the point words (and innuendos etc...) you are just doing that...
BTW, you don't "let teens have sex", they have it on their own... Again, you really have no clue do you? Or maybe you never had to deal with teens...
Maybe you haven't figured it out... Not only am I not Christian, but my ancestors have rejected Christianity for the last 2000 years... Guess what I am?
And I will say that the Talmud says that you have a duty to repair the world... This vaccine does just that... That in the name of religion you try to reject, this IS the work of the yetser hara (the bad inclination) and G.d won't thank it for it!
You're being completely disingenuous, because this vaccine wouldn't help women who already caught the HPV!
Again, you really have no clue do you? Or maybe you never had to deal with teens...
If you had any clue, you'd realize that I'm not far out of my teens.
But it woulkd save those that would catch it in the fuiture... Your problem is how they would have caught it...
So you would let women dies because they don't follow your sexual rules!
It is exactly what I said... Except you try to put lipstick on the boar... It remains a boar!
Did anyone here say that people have HPV, and subsequently get cervical cancer, shouldn't be treated? No. So your argument fails. You're hysterical.
A perfect example of the religion of liberalism. You want to "deal" with teen girls by giving them all a vaccine that will protect them from a rare cancer that hits 1/1000 of the women who get the virus. And it only immunizes against about 75% of the virus. Doesn't do squat for any other sexually transmitted diseases. Then you release your teens (boys I presume) to go out, have sex and spread disease. I understand why you need the vaccine, it's too immunize you from accepting responsibility.
Maybe you haven't figured it out, that I don't care what religion you are - it's your rudeness and spewing that I care about.
And I will say that the Talmud says that you have a duty to repair the world... This vaccine does just that
You'd almost be comical if you weren't so misinformed. This doesn't repair anything -
I just can't imagine the effort it takes to be as bitter as you are towards a different faith.
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