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Breaking? WMD report?

Posted on 06/21/2006 2:38:38 PM PDT by Scarchin

I just got a phonecall saying something big was about to break RE: WMD but I can't get to a TV. Anyone?


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: demnightmare; first; iraq; iraqiwmds; prewarintelligence; santorum; wmd
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To: El Gato
Iran had F-14s, not F-15s
I stand corrected, I sure thought it wa sthe 15's though. Thanks
441 posted on 06/21/2006 8:24:32 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: AngryJawa
Why, why, why? If the military has had these munitions since '03, why not let it out?>>>>>>>>>>>>

Because terrorist cells would go looking for undiscovered gas shell caches and use them to make IEDs. The results would have been disasterous.

I hope the Terrorists do not get their hands on any of these!

442 posted on 06/21/2006 8:25:47 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Candor7

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031004-123026-1690r.htm


Iraq also was working to convert some of the 300 Chinese-made HY-2 Silkworm antiship missiles into land-attack cruise missiles, Mr. Kay said. The most ambitious program involved replacing the liquid-fueled rocket motor on the Silkworm with turbine engines taken from Russian-made Mi-8 and Mi-17 transport helicopters.
Mr. Kay said the conversion program was "intriguing and, I guess, frightening if it had been carried out."
"This was designed to be a 1,000-kilometer cruise missile that would have carried a warhead of about 500 kilograms, a significant warhead with a large range," Mr. Kay said.
Other Silkworms had been modified into 93-mile-range land-attack cruise missiles and about 12 had been built at the time the Iraqi war started March 19.
"One of these was the one that slammed into the Kuwaiti shopping center during the war," Mr. Kay said.


443 posted on 06/21/2006 8:30:10 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: debg

"Thank heavens Santorum is coming out with this."

Do you think it will help or hurt his campaign? From what I understand, most Pubbies in PA are Rinos.


444 posted on 06/21/2006 8:30:55 PM PDT by no dems ("Mr. President: Put up that wall.")
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To: GrandEagle
Iran had F-14s, not F-15s
I'm not saying your wrong, I'm certainly not familiar with their entire inventory, BUT, We had Iranian students in avionics and weapon delivery systems school on the F-15.
That I know first hand - I was there.
Curious.....
Was it the 14's that they couldn't even fly?
Maybe they hadn't taken delivery yet?
445 posted on 06/21/2006 8:31:04 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
I never claimed that the US "armed" Iraq.

From your post 95.. WE (the US) taught and trained them how to make and use chemical weapons back when they were at war with Iran.

Sounds like arming him to me.

Certainly FReepers do better homework than this.

This from someone who thinks we sold F-15s to the "Shaw" of Iran. (We sold F-14s to the Shah of Iran)

446 posted on 06/21/2006 8:31:52 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: no dems

WMD


447 posted on 06/21/2006 8:40:00 PM PDT by LikeLight
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

" To a liberal, 500 shells of nerve gas in Iraq is nothing, but 500 .20 gauge shotgun shells in your closet is a stockpile."

A profound statement that says quite alot. Most liberals wouldn't get the meat of that statement however.


448 posted on 06/21/2006 8:43:17 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: rhombus
Why does the year matter? I thought as the hate America Leftist say there were no WMDs period? A WMD is a WMD. My feelings is that this is the tip of an ice berg. The Rats will be running once the lights are turned on. Just like cockroaches!
449 posted on 06/21/2006 8:45:18 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Scarchin

Bush Fault... LOL!


450 posted on 06/21/2006 8:45:57 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: GrandEagle
e had Iranian students in avionics and weapon delivery systems school on the F-15. That I know first hand - I was there. Curious..... Was it the 14's that they couldn't even fly? Maybe they hadn't taken delivery yet?

The radars in the F-14 and F-15 were and are very similar. Both from Hughes (now part of Raytheon, aka RatCO). They could fly the F-14s, but the the big missiles were useless. They used them as a sort of Mini AWACS during the war with Iran and later. It was the presence of an Iranian F-14, in part, that caused the Vincennes'crew to think an Iranian airbus was a warplane on an attack run, and thus to shoot it down.

Here' an article about the F-14 in Iranian service

And here's a page about the Imperial Iranian Air Force. You'll note no F-15s are mentioned (other than Saudi F-15s which shot down Iranian F-4s)

451 posted on 06/21/2006 8:46:05 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: ValerieUSA; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Seadog Bytes; TexKat

saw the link to this one from the following (literally, it follows by one):

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=1653293


452 posted on 06/21/2006 8:46:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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To: debg
The smaller stuff they put on truck convoy or flew out of country.

Thats right, in the 3 weeks before the war on Iraq as we were building up our troop numbers in Kuwait and elsewhere, Russian trucks were rolling 24/7 into Syria. As a matter of fact there was an international accusation that the Russians were supplying the Iraqis with equipment to use against the USA..

What was happening was that the trucks were hauling Saddams WMD AWAY, that he and the UN said he did not have! It was a residual AFTER the oil for food scam in which Saddam purchased conventional arms from France, Germany and Russia. As a matter of fact, Newsweek published pictures of the latest generation of French surface to air missles at Bagdad International, as the US MARINES occupied the airport.

The French government denied any knowledge of the missles which they said were purchased on the black market as discards. They were not discards, they were the best the French had, and the Iraqis didn't have enough time to learn how to use them , thank God! There were dozens of them at Bagdad International Airport. Dear knows what else was hauled off by the Ruskies. It will go down in history as one of the greatest military Grifts of all time.

What wasn't hauled away was secretly buried by the Iraqui military.THERE ARE STILL LIKELY HUNDREDS MORE OF THESE SARIN GASS ARTILLARY SHELLS BURIED IN THE DESERT! That is why the Bush administration wanted to supress the information. Can you imagine what would happen if foreign terrorists got their hands on these sarin shells to use as IEDs? THE HORRER!

I wish that nobody read this news out if there is any chance that the Terrorists can get the location of any WMD cache from former Sunni Iraqui military personnel.

453 posted on 06/21/2006 8:53:35 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: gophergas

There’s so much ambiguity in the multiple plots that I could only guess at one here. We’ve seen this kind of rope-a-dope strategy from Bush, but never one that played out over years like this. Perhaps this is the big one, with the others were like the wheels within wheels, but I think brilliant strategy is often invented in hindsight. I think he expected something to play out like this, with WMD discoveries vindicating him, but there’s no telling if he picked this time and place.


454 posted on 06/21/2006 9:00:23 PM PDT by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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To: GrandEagle

Let's see you sources.


455 posted on 06/21/2006 9:07:49 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: GrandEagle; pissant
Oh... the ol' "Common Knowledge" source material.

If it's so damn common, you must have tons of sources.

We're waiting.

456 posted on 06/21/2006 9:12:34 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: elfman2

Let's say for s@it and giggles, sometime in mid-September another set of declassified reports indicate that other WMD's were found that only date back a few years or so, you'll certain to hear this from the luney lefties:
---Election day is just around the corner. Bush is using this to gain voter support for November.
---What took so long. We've been at war for 3 1/2 years. It's about time we see some results!!!
---Who authorized the report? Not some biased "commission".

I could give two hoots about todays assertation that the WMD's were pre-W. They were there. They were found. Bush was right, and Kerry(et al)still lies!!!!!


457 posted on 06/21/2006 9:21:57 PM PDT by cleveland gop (Bill Clinton caused 9/11. Conservatives know it, liberals cry foul!!!)
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To: Candor7
What wasn't hauled away was secretly buried by the Iraqui military.THERE ARE STILL LIKELY HUNDREDS MORE OF THESE SARIN GASS ARTILLARY SHELLS BURIED IN THE DESERT!

Yes, it certainly begs the question, if we've found 500 dispersed chemical weapons, how much more is buried? My guess it's in the thousands.

458 posted on 06/21/2006 9:24:04 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers; All

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,71607,00.html

Jan. 28, 2003:

• Inspectors searched at least eight sites. A biological team visited a grain silo in Taji area north of Baghdad; a second team went to Jerf al-Naddaf south of the capital; a third team visited Baghdad University; and a missile team visited Al Hareth State Company in Taji. A chemical team checked Al Furat State Company in al-Haswah, while others inspected Ukhdair military warehouses 75 miles south of Baghdad where they had found 12 undeclared empty chemical warheads earlier this month. IAEA teams drove to Babel University south of Baghdad and to Al Nasr State Company.


459 posted on 06/21/2006 10:41:17 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: All

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/03/13/wirq113.xml

"British intelligence reports say that work on extending their range has begun and that Iraq can arm them with chemical or biological warheads. The CIA says Iraq is developing an unmanned drone to deliver chemical and biological warfare agents."

"Saddam's chemical arsenal included mustard gas, and nerve agents such as sarin, tabun and VX. His biological agents included botulinum, anthrax and aflatoxin."

"Much was destroyed during the war, and by the work of UN weapons inspectors who for years played cat-and-mouse with Iraqi officials trying to hide the weapons of mass destruction."


460 posted on 06/21/2006 10:51:42 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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