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FAA outage delays flights [More detail non yesterday's incident - with photo)
AVPress ^ | Wednesday, July 19 | DAISY NGUYEN

Posted on 07/19/2006 12:53:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin

LOS ANGELES - A power outage at a major air traffic control center in Palmdale delayed flights in and out of Southern California for more than an hour Tuesday, a disruption that quickly backed up flights across parts of the western United States and Canada.

The outage was reported shortly after 5:30 p.m., shutting down all telephone, electrical and radar functions. Power was restored about 80 minutes later when the center's backup generator kicked in, said Allen Kenitzer, a regional spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration.

Air traffic began to flow back into the Los Angeles area by 8 p.m., Kenitzer said.

The outage quickly caused a domino effect, however, that disrupted flights from several states and Canada, resulting in some being canceled.

"Safety is never compromised, but obviously it's caused an inconvenience," Kenitzer said.

A spokesman for Southern California Edison said a vehicle crashed into a power pole on 10th Street West near Avenue O-8 shortly after 4 p.m., causing a power fluctuation that prompted the air traffic control center's backup generator to automatically turn on. About an hour later, the Edison spokesman said, that generator failed.

"Their backup generator sensed there was a problem and kicked in, but for some inexplicable reason it malfunctioned," said Marlon Walker, a spokesman for the utility.

The driver of a pickup truck that crashed into the pole suffered minor injuries, sheriff's Sgt. Dan Oppenheim said.

FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown in Washington said she couldn't confirm that the backup generator failed, adding the cause of the outage was still under investigation.

The center handles high-altitude aircraft, mostly long-distance flights traveling at 18,000 feet and above, in Southern California and parts of Arizona, Nevada and Utah.

"They put plans in place to make sure they can always communicate with planes," she said.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: California
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; energy; faa; outage
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1 posted on 07/19/2006 12:53:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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"OUTAGE SITE - The Los Angeles Air Route Traffic Control Center in Palmdale is shown in this Sept. 14, 2004, photo. A 90-minute power outage at the center Tuesday disrupted flights in and out of Southern California airports, said Allen Kenitzer, a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman."Valley Press files
2 posted on 07/19/2006 12:54:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: BenLurkin
non yesterday??

Does that mean two days ago, tomorrow.....???? :)

3 posted on 07/19/2006 12:57:10 PM PDT by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: BenLurkin

That generator should have worked -- someone should swing for that. No excuse on something as critical as ATC.


4 posted on 07/19/2006 12:57:29 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: technomage
"Non-yesterday
All my troubles seemed so non-away

5 posted on 07/19/2006 12:59:02 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: EagleUSA

I don't know about "swing". Dangle a little maybe.


6 posted on 07/19/2006 12:59:35 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: EagleUSA

Yet another example why such work should not be handled by our government, but by private industry. Had this happened to a contractor, they could be sued. Instead, there will be an awards banquet to celebrate the person who remembered how to push the 'on' button on the backup generator.


7 posted on 07/19/2006 1:00:02 PM PDT by kingu (Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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To: EagleUSA

"That generator should have worked -- someone should swing for that. No excuse on something as critical as ATC."

At our comany we have three huge Caterpillar emergency generators and two extras on flatbed trucks. They are tested once a week to ensure their reliability. I wonder why the FAA couldn't do that?


8 posted on 07/19/2006 1:02:03 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: EagleUSA

Doesn't matter if that generator worked or not. It's just a machine like any other. It can malfunction. What's inexcusable is not having redundant backup generators for this important function. Why not??


9 posted on 07/19/2006 1:02:17 PM PDT by The Westerner
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To: kingu

My brother got caught in this mess. He was on a flight from DFW to Ontario CA that had to be diverted to El Paso for refueling. What is most disturbing to me is that he says the airline did not tell passengers why they were being diverted. A lot of people on the plane were scared and I don't blame them. Some wondered if there had been a terror attack on the west coast. If I had been on the plane I would be complaining angrily about the lack of communication.


10 posted on 07/19/2006 1:03:12 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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> They are tested once a week to ensure their reliability.
> I wonder why the FAA couldn't do that?

They do run routine tests. Do they run them long enough?
Do they run them under full (presumably simulated) load?
Even if they had, would the fault have been detected?


11 posted on 07/19/2006 1:08:59 PM PDT by Boundless (Imagine if Fox had a news channel)
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To: Boundless

I am a retired AF air traffic controller and our radar and tower facilities have similar backup generators. Generators were run once per week but I can never remember any type of test where the electrical load was shifted to a backup generator. Not being an engineer I don't know why the load was never tested but it wasn't.


12 posted on 07/19/2006 1:16:54 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: EagleUSA

Regional ATC should have multiple generators.


13 posted on 07/19/2006 1:17:53 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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There are five and may be as many as seven generators. They are checked monthly on a load bank. The whole system has been upgraded across the country within the last 10 years. The generators make over 3 megawatts and there is a battery backup system that could also be 3 megawatts. The system is quite complicated and parts are hard to get from the contractor. I don't think that I would like to have a contractor running the system, That would really be asking for trouble.


14 posted on 07/19/2006 1:41:03 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: FreedomPoster

Backup power is not the answer ,, it implies that an outage is acceptable while you're getting the generator started up... critical facilities should be constantly on UPS power ,,, the typical setup would be ...

UTILITY CO.==> BATTERY BANK ==> DC/AC INVERTERS

that way when the power goes off you still run without interruption on battery power ,, this also isolates you from lightning... when the public utility goes offline you then have ..

GENERATOR ==> BATTERY BANK ==> DC/AC INVERTERS

to insure that the diesel generators start and deliver full power immediately you plumb their "coolant" lines into the chiller ( AirCon / HVAC ) system or water cooling lines for water cooled computer equipment at the facility so they start warm from the waste heat from the AC..


15 posted on 07/19/2006 1:41:29 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: ops33

> ... our radar and tower facilities have similar backup
> generators. Generators were run once per week but I can
> never remember any type of test where the electrical
> load was shifted to a backup generator.

Since the point of testing is that you aren't sure it
will work, so you'd never test with the live load, except
possibly in a period where zero traffic is expected.

But it is possible to simulate the load at the gen,
using, for example, the sort of large resistor arrays
that diesel-electric locomotives employ for "dynamic
braking". This raises the capital cost of the backup
solution, but also raises confidence in the testing.

I also wonder if, rather than just wasting the test
power, they couldn't sync the gens to the line, and
sell the power back to the power company. Some
malfunction risks there, I suppose.


16 posted on 07/19/2006 1:47:25 PM PDT by Boundless (Imagine if Fox had a news channel)
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To: mountainlyons

There are five and may be as many as seven generators. They are checked monthly on a load bank. The whole system has been upgraded across the country within the last 10 years. The generators make over 3 megawatts and there is a battery backup system that could also be 3 megawatts. The system is quite complicated and parts are hard to get from the contractor. I don't think that I would like to have a contractor running the system, That would really be asking for trouble.



Every hospital and datacenter I know of runs their own power ,, experienced people are easy to find.. Parts can take a while to get shipped in therefore as you stated you build in some excess capacity so when 1 or possibly 2 generators fail during your weekly tests (late at night on your slowest day) you still run along just fine..


17 posted on 07/19/2006 1:49:04 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: TNCMAXQ
If I had been on the plane I would be complaining angrily about the lack of communication.

Ditto that.

18 posted on 07/19/2006 1:50:13 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: dljordan
They are tested once a week to ensure their reliability. I wonder why the FAA couldn't do that?

The company that I have my colocated web servers at, tests weekly for automatic startup, and monthly under full load.

19 posted on 07/19/2006 1:51:43 PM PDT by ikka
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To: EagleUSA
That generator should have worked -- someone should swing for that. No excuse on something as critical as ATC

See that brown, precast building in the picture. That is the generator room. Normally, they are on automatic transfer switches and are regularly "exercised". Could have been a mechanical failure, but if they were doing the proper preventative maintenance it should have been caught.

20 posted on 07/19/2006 1:54:45 PM PDT by Thermalseeker
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